Stranger in the Valley of the Kings

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Stranger in the Valley of the Kings

Postby VikesfanKevin » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:10 pm

I think I am going to read this book...
In it a mummy of Yuya is claimed to be the Biblical Joseph and the maternal grandfather of Akhenaten.
Here is a link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuya#Identified_as_Joseph
This is what the link says...
Egyptologist Ahmed Osman has suggested an identification between Joseph, the ancient Hebrew patriarch who led the tribe of Israel into Egypt during a famine, and Yuya. Through analysis of anomalous features of the mummy of Yuya as well as linguistic and chronological data, Osman points out how Yuya is the only Egyptian mummy to have his hands placed under his chin rather than across his chest, he has what appears to be Semitic features, and a beard style similar to that of the ancient Hebrews, whereas Egyptian officials were known to shave their facial hair. Additionally, Joseph in the Genesis 45:8 is called "a father of pharaoh" and Yuya is the only Egyptian official to ever have had this title (with the exception of his son, Ay, who held the similar title Itnetjer, or "father of the god") [13]. While this identification hasn't received widespread attention in mainstream Egyptology, it is supported by Ronald E. Clements, Professor of Old Testament Studies at King's College in London.[14]

This is also from Wiki...
Biography
Born in Cairo in 1934, Osman was a law student at Cairo University before becoming a journalist. He moved to London in 1964. He became interested in possible links between the Bible and recent archaeological discoveries in Egypt, looking for possible reasons for the historical tension between Egypt and Israel. His first theory was that Joseph was the father-in-law of Amenhotep III, Yuya. In 1987 this claim provided the basis for his first book, Stranger in the Valley of the Kings.

Osman identified the Semitic-born Egyptian official Joseph with the Egyptian official Yuya, and asserted the identification of Hebrew liberator Moses with the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten. Ahmed Osman has even claimed that Moses and Akhenaten were the same person, supporting his belief by interpreting aspects of biblical and Egyptian history. He alleges that Atenism can be considered monotheistic and related to Judaism, and includes other similarities, including a ban on idol worship and the similarity of the name Aten to the Hebrew Adon, or "Lord". This would mesh with Osman's other claim that Akhenaten's maternal grandfather Yuya was the same person as the Biblical Joseph.

Osman's positions are in conflict with some of Egyptology mainstream beliefs and parts of the conventional Egyptian chronology. Some Egyptologists have gone as far as rejecting them as unacademic conjecture.[1][2]Donald Redford wrote a scathing review of Stranger in the Valley of the Kings for BAR.[3] Osman states that the reason mainstream Egyptologists do not accept his theories and the theories of others is because, "Egyptologists have established their careers on their interpretations", and that to accept other theories could give them less authority.[1]

The single biggest reason I am going to read this book and the reason I think he might have a case, is the simple fact that mainstream Egyptologist do not agree. Egyptologist do not agree with anything correct. I think this topic is extremely important and may be a break through for AAT. Akhenaten may be way more important than we already knew. He developed the first form of monotheism and may be responsible for the development of Judaism and Christianity. If Akhenaten has a link to the AA, he could be the most important link in the entire theory.
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Postby Moon » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:56 pm

I am one who also thinks that Akhenaten was Moses. They both lived at the same time, and Akhenaten would of been allowed to move the Jews to Israel back then. He did start the line since he was of royal birth that led to David and Jesus. So, yes, Jesus is a direct descendant of David and the Pharaohs of Egypt.
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Postby VikesfanKevin » Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:06 pm

You know what's funny about my interest in this book? I spent a good amount of time yesterday proving why the Isaelites were not in Egypt. This may prove that wrong, or help us understand it better. Maybe the numbers were not that great and maybe this is the reason it would be erased from Egyptian history. But there are still some holes in Osman's theories. I read a peer review of his book and it sounds like there are holes. I think any good theory has some holes, but are they holes that destroy his theory, or just something we need to take into consideration.
But as it stands right now, we have no evidence to suggest the Jews were in Egypt. We have no archeological evidence to support it and the only text that supports it, is the Bible. One story in 1 text is hardly enough to call it fact, especially when the Book of Exodus is under folkloric and legendary.
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Postby Reinhard » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:35 am

maxmercury wrote:I am one who also thinks that Akhenaten was Moses. They both lived at the same time, and Akhenaten would of been allowed to move the Jews to Israel back then. He did start the line since he was of royal birth that led to David and Jesus. So, yes, Jesus is a direct descendant of David and the Pharaohs of Egypt.


During that time period their was no such thing as Jews.

A problem I have with history if when they call Israelite's or Hebrews Jews before the people known as Jews today even existed.

The people known as Jews are a more modern creation and based upon linguistic and cultural evidence I do not believe they are the people of the bibe. They and their supporters are the only ones making the claim.
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Postby Nikola » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:03 am

maxmercury wrote:I am one who also thinks that Akhenaten was Moses. They both lived at the same time, and Akhenaten would of been allowed to move the Jews to Israel back then. He did start the line since he was of royal birth that led to David and Jesus. So, yes, Jesus is a direct descendant of David and the Pharaohs of Egypt.


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Postby romanxxl » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:21 pm

Does anyone have proper explanation for Akhenaten strange body and skull shape?I visited LUXOR for one week last year-WOW!!!There is so many things to see there-the biggest archeological open-air site in the world.I have seen many Akhenaten statues in Luxor museum.All of them looks strange.Akhenaton and his wife looks more huge than humans and there children have weird skull shape either...
Strange......
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Postby lunarwing » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:01 pm

All Jews are Hebrew.... but not all Hebrew are Jews. Jews are from the tribe of Judah..... only one of the twelve tribes. Judah was one of the two tribes that stayed in Israel... the other ten went a wandering.....
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Postby Moon » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:18 pm

Reinhard wrote:During that time period their was no such thing as Jews.

A problem I have with history if when they call Israelite's or Hebrews Jews before the people known as Jews today even existed.

The people known as Jews are a more modern creation and based upon linguistic and cultural evidence I do not believe they are the people of the bibe. They and their supporters are the only ones making the claim.


They weren't Jews yet, but they were monotheists who followed Akhenaten (Moses) who was deposed as the pharaoh for his belief systems.

Basically, Jesus is a direct descendant of the pharaohs of Egypt, and it is quite possible his bloodline has extraterrestrial blood in it (See Zecharia Sitchin's works).
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Postby Reinhard » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:31 pm

lunarwing wrote:All Jews are Hebrew.... but not all Hebrew are Jews. Jews are from the tribe of Judah..... only one of the twelve tribes. Judah was one of the two tribes that stayed in Israel... the other ten went a wandering.....


According to the Jews that is in fact true but I do not accept it.

Give me a few days and I will compile research to prove jews are not the biblical Judah.
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