The purpose of the pyramids (theories by members)

[Moon]

I have merged this post to another on theories on how the pyramids were built-MM

An excellent book to read on the pyramids and their construction is The Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt by Christopher Dunn. He is an engineer and knows his stuff and gives a great deal of evidence on how the pyramids were built.

I also think they had plans to build them that were around for a very long time. The alignments to the stars go back 13,000 or so years ago. That was confirmed by astroarcheologists and can be found in books by Robert Bauval.

[Sagittarii]

I'm going with what Christopher Dunn says. This guy is an engineer and can show through geometry and photos how extraordinary the craftsmanship is at the Giza Necropolis. Precision that cannot be matched today even with our most advanced computer systems and machine tools.

And I also agree with the OP that the Great Pyramid was "found" by ancient Egyptians. Possession is 9/10 tenths of the law then they tried to replicate the structure too but failed miserably because the other pyramids that are in Egypt don't even come close to the Great Pyramid.

It is my opinion that The Great Pyramid and other megaliths around the world that are unexplainable are the remnants of a very advanced and ancient race of beings who came before humans. For whatever reason they died out or who really knows.

I honestly believe that our existence in this Universe is soo far out there it puts any Star Trek or Planet of the Apes scenarios to shame.

[paland]

I agree with about 98% of the original posters theories. I believe that he is on the right path. I also believe that the head of the sphinx was a lion and that it was built more than 10,000 years ago and closer to 12,500 years ago.

Spot on post!!

[seeker1117]

Ha...guess I should've read THIS post first before replying to the "age of pyramids" post.

This is why I love this forum...every time I click on a post, I get confirmation that maybe....just MAYBE...I'm not so far off in what I feel is right!

[Moon]

I was thinking about merging the posts, but this is a separate one that deals with peoples theories, while the other one is a debate on the age of the pyramids themselves.

As moderators, we want to keep the discussion going and easy for everyone to get involved with it.

[OutsideBox]

I was just thinking about the human nature-if they see something magnificent they want something that's bigger,better,faster,taller,ect. It's just human nature! As an example, the world's top 100 tallest buildings were all built in the last 81 yrs., the top 10 in the last 36 yrs.,the top 5 in the last 13 yrs. So my questions are: when the great pyramid and all the other impressive structures around the world were built thousands of years ago why didn't human nature factor in and make someone build something that's even more impressive? Why did all this building stop? Why, after thousands of years we still don't really understand how they did it? Were the the people thousands of years ago different from humans of today and weren't competetive and wanted to build something better? How did the knowledge of this technology disappear and not get passed on like so many customs,legends,and folk lores?

[Bob137]

More than likely due to either man made destruction, or natural destruction. At the end of the ice age, there was a lot of changes that happened upn the earth,a nd they still have not all been figured out as of yet. Their is a lot of speculation, not just on here, but in academia also. From legends of war, nuke type weapons, to floods, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc.. So if mankind had to start all over again, and could only utilize some of the older known technology, or Magic if you prefer, then they would be able to build some at a smaller scale, and after thousands of years, it would die out as old ways of doing things. Which if you look at history, that does seem to be what happened!

[Jir1984]

Sorry for opening up this thread again, but after watching last night's AA episode -Aliens and Temples of Gold, it made me think of this theory. I was hoping that they talked a little more about the alternate theories about the Great Pyramid and maybe shed some light on the possibilities of a nuclear reactor or even a Gold machine. Either way, aoi3610 have you been able to produce a model or smaller scaled machine by any chance? They did cover the scientist that is able to turn a very small amount (forget the element used) into a very small amount of gold, but it cost them a ton of money to run the machine in the first place. Anyways, just wanted to follow up.

[Bob137]

In regards to the episode, and in reference to the Alchemical process of making gold, some of the statements of "no one had been able to perfect the process of making gold", may be incorrect. From my studies of alchemist, and alchemy, some from Mesopotamia, Egypt, and later Sir Francis Bacon, may have perfected the process, and were able to produce gold. I would suggest they do more research on the subject, for from my studies gold was produced by some. Maybe even the Pyramid itself was made for such a process as stated in the last episode. They also made statements in regards to the philosopher's stone, and did not seem to understand what it actually was/is.

[Moon]

I also wish they would of spent more time on the theory that the Great Pyramid was used to make gold. I never heard of that one before, and also liked it that Christopher Dunn was featured discussing the pyramids. We do know one thing: They were not used as tombs.

If they find a huge cache of gold buried near the Great Sphinx, that would be great and could enhance this theory.

[Bob137]

There is a theory that Moses knew of the process, and carried the information with him, and that he had his followers making gold at a location in what is now Saudi Arabia. I read it somewhere, but my memory isn't what it used to be.

[Moon]

There is a theory that Moses knew of the process, and carried the information with him, and that he had his followers making gold at a location in what is now Saudi Arabia. I read it somewhere, but my memory isn't what it used to be.

If Moses was Akhenaten as many believe (as I do too), he would of probably been privy to the secrets of making gold and manna out of gold dust.

[Bob137]

i am pretty much in line with that theory also!

[mahalla2]

Moses and Akhenaten might have been contemporaries around the same time (and possibly related by marriage) but I seriously doubt that they were the same person. Moses was adopted by an Egyptian pharoah but was of Hebrew origins. He married a Midian woman, however, of Egyptian origins who had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba. Akhenatan was an Egyptian pharoah who also had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba.

[Moon]

Moses and Akhenaten might have been contemporaries around the same time (and possibly related by marriage) but I seriously doubt that they were the same person. Moses was adopted by an Egyptian pharoah but was of Hebrew origins. He married a Midian woman, however, of Egyptian origins who had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba. Akhenatan was an Egyptian pharoah who also had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba.

Akhenaten was also out of favor and gave up his throne of Egypt. He gave up his kingship for his beliefs as the priests welded a lot of power and did not want any upsetting of their status quo. Akhenaten and Moses could of been one in the same as he did lead the Hebrews out of Egypt at the same time.

This is an interesting theory as Moses was also a prince. It was not uncommon for princes and kings of the day to have more than one wife, although if I was married to Nefertiti, I would be quite happy at that.

In Jim Marrs' book Rule by Secrecy, he stated a compelling case for Moses and Akhenaten to being one and the same. Since then, I have been researching this idea.

[mahalla2]

Moses and Akhenaten might have been contemporaries around the same time (and possibly related by marriage) but I seriously doubt that they were the same person. Moses was adopted by an Egyptian pharoah but was of Hebrew origins. He married a Midian woman, however, of Egyptian origins who had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba. Akhenatan was an Egyptian pharoah who also had possible ties to the Throne of Sheba.

Akhenaten was also out of favor and gave up his throne of Egypt. He gave up his kingship for his beliefs as the priests welded a lot of power and did not want any upsetting of their status quo. Akhenaten and Moses could of been one in the same as he did lead the Hebrews out of Egypt at the same time.

This is an interesting theory as Moses was also a prince. It was not uncommon for princes and kings of the day to have more than one wife, although if I was married to Nefertiti, I would be quite happy at that.

In Jim Marrs' book Rule by Secrecy, he stated a compelling case for Moses and Akhenaten to being one and the same. Since then, I have been researching this idea.

yes, it is an interesting theory, however, I believe Rameses II was the pharoah during the Exodus of Moses and the Israelites.

[Buzi-Blu]

I have read various books linking Moses with Akhenaten, all quite convincing but they contradict each other. I do think it is highly likely there is a connection but as yet I wouldn't like to even guess. It may be, for example, that Moses was a military leader under Akhenaten or some other connection.

One book in a different class was Robert Feathers The Copper Scroll Decoded where he presents solid scientific evidence to link the copper of the Copper Scroll to that of 18th Dynasty copper but analysing its composition. He also claims that the unit of measurement is an Egyptian, not Hebrew one and that some of the treasure listed has already been found at Akhetaten.

There are many links between Moses and 18th Dynasty. His name for a start, Moses is a common suffix with such names as Thuthmoses and Ramoses. The Ark of the Covenant's description matches well with 18th Dynasty finds and is typical of that period. Interesting it is Akhenaten's Armana letters that make the first references to anointing oil. Other possible connections are between Pinehasy (Akenaten's treasurer - spelling maybe be wrong) and Phineas the priest.

One last point. I've searched and searched but been unable to conclusively find a reference to prove the Aten is the Sun. It probably is but could it be the Moon? It could be a stylised Flying Spaghetti Monster of course.

I'm sure there will be much more discovered in the future. Akhetaten has still not been extensively excavated and it is incredible what things can remain preserved.

[mahalla2]

yes, and I think because Moses was raised in the pharoah's household, he was probably educated in Egyptian writing plus the fact that after he was married, his wife's father (a Midian/Egyptian wiseman) probably instructed Moses as well.

[Bob137]

It is strange to me, how the Biblical stories are of these Royal people and their great conquests. Told from the side of the winners. I wonder if it was the poor or just regular people telling of the story, how different it would be. More than likely it would be of these power hungry people, fighting each other over rulership, and pushing their beliefs on others, and then brainwashing people into following the rich populist preacher to the ends of the earth. Sounds to me just like the other ones, such as Jim Jones, Hitler, etc..

[mahalla2]

It is strange to me, how the Biblical stories are of these Royal people and their great conquests. Told from the side of the winners. I wonder if it was the poor or just regular people telling of the story, how different it would be. More than likely it would be of these power hungry people, fighting each other over rulership, and pushing their beliefs on others, and then brainwashing people into following the rich populist preacher to the ends of the earth. Sounds to me just like the other ones, such as Jim Jones, Hitler, etc..

well, I haven't been to a church for quite some time but I still believe it is not a good idea to throw the baby out with the bathwater - I believe we were given rules to live by for a reason

[Bob137]

I agree with structure and rules, I just do not like threats and bullying! I do not believe a real Supreme GOD that could create the whole material universe, and possibly other universes, and dimension, and the time/space continuum, would need to utilize such a practice for any reasoning! Just not gonna buy it, too much plastic stuff in it!

[Buzi-Blu]

It is strange to me, how the Biblical stories are of these Royal people and their great conquests. Told from the side of the winners. I wonder if it was the poor or just regular people telling of the story, how different it would be. More than likely it would be of these power hungry people, fighting each other over rulership, and pushing their beliefs on others, and then brainwashing people into following the rich populist preacher to the ends of the earth. Sounds to me just like the other ones, such as Jim Jones, Hitler, etc..

This is always worth remembering. The accounts of Moses are particularly suspicious like the story of his birth. But there is a real puzzle with Moses - many of us are aware of how the Bible makes such a big deal about lineage and who beget who. With Moses the line stops with his two sons who hardly get a mention. This is very odd.

I suspect there were two competing ideologies during the Exodus, rewritten as if it was one happy family. Who was Aaron? What did he believe? If Moses lost then what did he believe? And who are the Nazarites that keep popping up again and again? Fascinating mysteries.

[Bob137]

It is also astonishing how the Egyptians, the Israelites, and the Sumerians, and Hindu, all have similar stories, with similar characters, only the names were changed to protect the wealthy! One basic story of creation on earth by beings from the outer limits of the twilight zone, they get pissed of at what they created, stupid stinky human monkey people, and destroy most of them, then they leave, then come back, to restart another civilization, only to leave again. I guess we are really good at pissing aliens off, but they always come back for more, probably came back to get some nooky from our women!

[theseeker189]

I did a quick search here couldn't didn't find anything related!?

Anyway I just had this thought come into my head, maybe its from watching the movie Thor, what if the pryamids where not what we think, what if they where to transport AA to their home planets?

What are the sizes of the pryamids, relative to the star they point to? This could be a huge, and I mean huge leap if this were true!

They where not used as tombs so what were they used for, well they point to the stars. I believe it was on Ancient aliens I saw the possibility for them to be used as generaters, well what if they used them as teleport pads, either one to rely messages to one another or two de-materialized themselves and shot out at light speed to their planet!?

Just a thought, I'm going to go digging now, see if anyone else has thought of this!

[Sunrisepony]

There's a whole board here in the forums for Egypt and The Pyramids. It's a interesting concept. From my research that I've done, I've pretty much found them to be a "store house" for knowledge of a much much older race that pre-dates the Egyptians. And leaves them to be significantly older than WOT and Egyptologist are admitting to.

[Slapfish]

There has actually been some discussion along these lines previously on these boards. I think it's a possibility. There is a lot of evidence to support the possibility that the pyramid was actually a giant energy generator. Given the Egyptian beliefs about the afterlife and the preparation for the Pharoah to ascend into the sky, it's possible their religion was actually copying preparations that had to be made to "transmit" a being through space back to a home planet. Kind of an "out there" theory but certainly something worth considering. I even wondered if advanced beings had also advanced spiritually to the point they could transmit a soul through space to a cloned body somewhere else. I know, super science fiction, but who knows.......

[Moon]

I moved this thread to the Egypt and the Pyramids board.

There are many researchers who do agree the pyramids may have been used as fueling stations for some type of ships. Others have suggested they were used as stargates, so your idea is not far off.

The star systems they point to could indicate where the visitors came from as many speculate. Orion's Belt is one of them along with Sirius, Cygnus Canopus and others being possible locations.

[Sunrisepony]

star gates would make sense, I am not so sure they were energy generators personally because there so far to the best of my knowledge has not been any residue found of anything to point one in that direction. There wasn't even soot to be found in any of the rooms. Because they had electricity and used lights. But, I prefer to stick with my thoughts on them being knowledge wear houses, maybe even a guide or index for the library and hall of records that lay beneath them and the Great Spinx in that huge labyrinth below.

[timeTraveler]

If you go through the issues in the Egypt and the Pyramids board, you will find that this issue has been profoundly discussed here. This subject have puzzled my mind over 30 years. One remarkable thing that I can and will suggest for anyone interested in this are the two excellent books by Christopher Dunn:
The Giza Power Plan and Lost technologies of ancient Egypt.

Especially the first book is remarkable! Most of the thing he presents – the whole structure of the pyramid- are so carefully thought and they explain a lot of puzzling mysteries in such a simple any that the probability that they are right or close to right are very high.

Let me take just one example. The Gallery of the great pyramid is so confusing. Why anyone have wanted to create such a high space in an angle inside the pyramid. It is immediately obvious as one enter this space that it is not any entrance or corridor to anyway. It actually star from nowhere and leads to the kings chamber. Dunn can easily give a credible explanation for the structure as well as for detail found here.

I am not completely convinced that all the conclusions he makes are valid but a majority of the reasoning behind the findings are very sound! I'll recommend !

[Bob137]

Here is a link to a new theory that does sound pretty good, and may be the real reason for the pyramids:
It's on You Tube of course!
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2857/goldenavatarb.jpg

[Buzi-Blu]

Here is a link to a new theory that does sound pretty good, and may be the real reason for the pyramids:
It's on You Tube of course!
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2857/goldenavatarb.jpg

Umm...that's just your avatar image.

[ThePhiGuy]

Buzi-Blu wrote:
I suspect there were two competing ideologies during the Exodus, rewritten as if it was one happy family. Who was Aaron? What did he believe? If Moses lost then what did he believe? And who are the Nazarites that keep popping up again and again? Fascinating mysteries.

Hmmm. Yes indeedy. Who was Aaron? I don't believe that Moses was Akhenaten for the simple reason that if he had been, Akehnaten's descendants would have never been declared Pharaohs, and King Tut was certainly the descendant of Akhenaten.

Besides which Moses declared that his god demanded that the nation of Israel not worship "the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven," (Dt. 17:3) which certainly seems to rule out Moses as being a devotee of Aten, Ra or Osirus.

That being said, I'd say the biblical evidence certainly supports the contention that Aaron was a high priest and either a member of the sun god priesthood or devoted to Baal who was worshipped as Set (or Seth) by the Hyksos.

Just this last week I've been reading a history written by a Jewish Rabbi who openly stated that the Jews following Moses out of Egypt were considered the Hyksos, and in every other history I've read, the Hyksos were known Baal/Set worshippers. In antiquity, Baal and Set were considered one and the same god.

In my opinion the name "Aaron" is derived from the word "Aryan", and Aten (worshipped as Adon or Adonai by the Hebrews) is just one of "the thousand names" of Vishnu who is considered the primordial sun god. In the Vedic religion as well as the Egyptian religion, the sun god "absorbs" all other deities.

We cannot divorce Baal-Set from any form of sun god worship. Baal's Vedic name was Balarama ('the strong Rama') and in the Vedic religion of the Aryans and later Hindus, Balarama was the avatar (incarnation) of "the thousand headed serpent" called 'Adisesha', who was the great Naga (serpent) who made up the throne or the seat of Vishnu, the sun god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga

If you scroll down the article to the section titled "Well-known Nagas" you'll see the name Ananta-Sesha (also spelled 'Adisesha') who is Balarama in the Hindu texts, Set or Seth in the Egyptian texts, Baal in the Canaanite texts, Teshub in the Hittite and Hurrian texts, Adad or Hadad in the Assyrian texts and Ishkur in the Mesopotamian texts. As "the thousand hooded serpent," evidently every one of his serpent heads was called by a different name. It gets rather tedious trying to correlate them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balarama

If the Jews of the Exodus were really the Hyksos, then you can pretty much bet that the brazen serpent meant they were under the protection of Baal-Set-Balarama, who was called 'Typhon' by the Greeks.

According to one well-known Hindu holy man:

"Lord Balarama is the original Vishnu; therefore anyone remembering these pastimes of Lord Balarama in the morning and the evening will certainly become a great devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and thus his life will become successful in all respects." - A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada[citation

After 40 years of study of ancient history, it's become very obvious to me that virtually every god every known in Egypt, Canaan and Mesopotamia can be traced directly back to ancient India.

Aten is just another name for Vishnu, and in some cults Baal-Balarama-Set (Ananta-Sesha the great naga or serpent) represents "the supreme Godhead" of Vishnu, the Vedic sun god. Many, many historians have arrived at the same conclusion I have; Egypt was simply a colony of India.

Much of what Moses said seemed to be totally against sun god worship, and it makes me wonder if the brazen serpent wasn't ultimately in the hands of Aaron, because his stepbrother definitely seems to have represented a part of the Egyptian priesthood.

[Sunrisepony]

Even, I am cracking my eyebrow and going "Hmmm maybe?" at this possible theory on How The Pyramids were built. It was presented by a very close friend of mine, during a conversation about our past life memories, she talked about Atlantis and in connection that of Egypt etc, I talked about my memories of being on MU. One other friend mentions that it was the Orions and another race that built them, Giorgio says they weren't built by Aliens but with the help of Aliens. As obviously the western orthodox theory in it's mathematically incalculable infinitely impossible ways just doesn't work. Then, we have this one..and a million more. But this one dear friends requires a leap on conception of reality. First, it requires considering the possibility that this what we live in here. This Universe is an Holograph, that's a hard reality for many to swallow as it is. Because it changes things on so many levels and challenges our very perception of what reality really is. But, with that consideration. Here is what she said about how they were built.

Basically a huge holographic generator frame was put in the base area of the pyramid. And, through advanced technologies, there was a huge amount of light that was forced into the area and combined with energy to make the pyramids. And, that they were purposefully put there to balance/stabilize the rotation of the earth using Sacred Geometry. And, that it was really "as simple as that." Granted this is not a word for word but gives the 'meat' of what she said.

For those that are curious about this possibility, I suggest starting with these articles, which do include scientific evidence.

Information In The Holographic Universe: Theoretical results about black holes suggest the universe could be like a gigantic Hologram. This one was originally posted on the Scientific American Website and is full of a lot of substantial information.
by Jacob B. Berkenstein
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_holouniverse03.htm

Beyond that, this here is a link to multiple different articles concerning this subject:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_holouniverse.htm#menu

[ThePhiGuy]

Yes indeedy. That is quite a leap...

[Bob137]

I do believe that the material world is really the misconception put o it, and that it is not the real reality, that this is an illusion, and physics it seems is coming to that same conclusion. In regards to the Pyramids utilized for stabilizing the earth, it is possible, I know that the theory of Pangea for one is questionable in regards to, if all the lands were on one side of the earth, it would destabilize and go off it's track, and we would not be here. So anything is possible. I suppose that an advanced intelligence, (whether from here on earth, or extraterrestrial), would be able to tell if the world was out of balance, and would want to do something of the sort to stabilize it, anyway I would if I was one who thought our world was out of balance, and could get enough people to back me on it, and get it fixed! I think the world is out of balance though, and we may need to put another counterbalance on it to stabilize it, if it doesn't do it by itself soon!