Age of The Great Pyramid ....Precisly

[Bob137]

All I got to say is, GOD Bless, and GOD help you!

[ilacewords]

This is what you linked...sorry I described it as birds and you think that may be offensive but that's what they appear to be closest to me



Yes there is one straight line through the entire glyph - towards the bottom no where near the top as it should be in the 'helicopter' glyph
Again, sorry you are offended but it DOESNT work

[Cammi2012]

is this what you guys are fussing (for lack of a better word) about???

[Cammi2012]

lol that looks like some old crazy granny glasses...

[ilacewords]

is this what you guys are fussing (for lack of a better word) about???

Yes! thank you...As you attached!
That's where the straight line from here:

appears according to Hearte....

according to me...there is completely no room for that to work

and yes maybe crazy Granny glasses describes them better than birds but when I saw they looked like birds on a wire or something

Wait: edit for the page that Hearte himself even linked says this:
"Nekhbet, patron deity of Upper Egypt, represented by a vulture, and" - so bird wasn't that far off yet he's offended. I give up.

[Cammi2012]

...more like a vulture andf a king cobra...

in the pic I attached I see a helicopter... is someone saying that there is a missing piece that is supposed to sit on TOP of that little picture- like it's missing?

[ilacewords]

...more like a vulture andf a king cobra...

in the pic I attached I see a helicopter... is someone saying that there is a missing piece that is supposed to sit on TOP of that little picture- like it's missing?

From what I gather he is saying that it's a smattering of glyphs put together on top of each other and it came out as a helicopter. But to me the glyphs he presented don't appear to mesh together to look anything like a clear cut helicopter drawing. I'm not saying it's a helicopter but like the 'birds' I don't have a better way to describe them. The lines are not blurred at all. They are all intended. And when he understood that's what argument I had - he proposed that they all look different everytime they are carved.

How many ankhs have you seen all misshapen? I think the Egyptian scribes were very competent in what they did. They were highly educated and well regarded. And were being relied on to be compentent by a king.
I think it's insulting to them to insinuate otherwise. These weren't crayola drawings by children ya know?

[Bob137]

He is talking about the lines running through, such as the single bird next to the double ones, the problem with that theory is that each one of those are backwards, and not the actual same helicopter blades, as they have a protrusion such as the tail end of a plane or glider, so they are not actually the helicopter blades anyway. I looked very closely at what he was pertaining to, and it just doesn't fit as he states, but he is a persistent fellow! He has tried over and over to get everyone to believe what he puts forth as though it is gold, and refuses to ascertain or even consider another point of view, to him anything other than his point of view is wrong, and that is his decision. So not one of us, or anyone else for that matter, could get him to see anything other than his version, even if an ancient helicopter was found, it would be some kinda mistake!

[Randyrrr]

I really do love his way around things and not what was said;

Hearte wrote to Randyrrr;

Your children have huge fingers....
Apparently, you have no idea of how long 6 centimeters is.

Hearte read the post, or can you read English ?

You can not be what you say you are.
You would know how to change cm. to in.
6.15 cm. = 2.4 in. The size of a child's finger.
As I said a knife, like a butter knife of today.
What is posted is 2.4 in. on the long axis and 1.4 in. on the short axis made of copper.
It is the tip of a knife.
If copper was so hard to get as you say, it wouldn't be used in a way to destroy it as wood or stone would.
It was most likely used to cut meat, not build pyramids and isn't that what this is about.

You can not be what you say you are.
You would know how to change cm. to in.

You have no clue of tolerances especially on a Granite cube with the interior removed to create a sarcophagus.
Can you comprehend how hard it is to do that without breaking the shell?
It is one piece, not 5 pieces put together to make a box.
There can be no heat, no pressure, or it breaks.

This person is not worth my time or yours, let it go.
He avoids and tries to insult people when he has no answer.
He must have been a horrible debater while in school, if he isn't still in school
We can see what the truth is and where it lies.
The glyphs say so much, The granite says so much, and certain people can not handle it.
They stick their head in the sand, so that the only thing they hear is there own voice.

Heaete Cannot be Wrong - The narcissist is never, ever wrong, and they try to present "proofs" that they are correct. The narcissist cannot accept responsibility for making a mistake and they are experts at diverting the blame and attention to others.

Let it Go, he isn't worth your time.

[Hearte]

lol that looks like some old crazy granny glasses...

LOL!
You're not that far off.

Those are baskets that the cobra and vulture are sitting in.

These two figures are the "two ladies" in the hieroglyph.

They represent upper and lower Egypt in the Nebty name.

If only they were the "two little old ladies" you'd be even closer!

Hearte

COMBINED DOUBLE POST

I really do love his way around things and not what was said;

Hearte wrote to Randyrrr;

Your children have huge fingers....
Apparently, you have no idea of how long 6 centimeters is.

Hearte read the post, or can you read English ?

You can not be what you say you are.
You would know how to change cm. to in.
6.15 cm. = 2.4 in. The size of a child's finger.
As I said a knife, like a butter knife of today.
What is posted is 2.4 in. on the long axis and 1.4 in. on the short axis made of copper.
It is the tip of a knife.

Sorry about that. I read "fingertip" instead of finger.
Got in a hurry.
My apologies.
BTW, what is it that I said I am that I cannot be? Why would I need to convert to inches? I know what a centimeter is, do you?
Are you afraid of the metric system or something?

I would appreciate it if you would stop making abusive statements about me.

Sorry, but that's not a knife, it's a saw. No question about that.
Egyptian knives were pointed. Their saws were blunt-ended like in the pic.

Like I said, it was likely for wood since the teeth would be useless on stone.

However it could be for amputation so in that case, it would be used for meat!

Hearte

[upperworld]

Hearte, we are combining your double posts on a daily basis. The concept of what is considered a double post is a simple one at that, i know you understand it as you have apologized for it in the past. There is a button to the upper right of your post that sayd "EDIT", learn to use it. If the double posting continues i'm just going to start deleting your double posts instead of copying them and combining them for you.

[Hearte]

Again, sorry.
No other board I post on has this rule so I guess I'm just not used to it.

However, I would have fixed it myself if I'd had more than a few minutes to do so.

Hearte

[upperworld]

Again, sorry.
No other board I post on has this rule so I guess I'm just not used to it.

However, I would have fixed it myself if I'd had more than a few minutes to do so.

Hearte

I understand it takes some getting used to if you don't have to adhere to this policy elsewhere. However it's gone on for a while. Also you don't have to "fix" your posts, just put them in using the edit function first, and there's no double post to fix.

Also a little trick for anyone out there who doesn't want to use "Edit" because it won't appear as a new post. Click edit on your previous post and copy all of your text, then go back and hit post reply to create a new post. Paste your previous post into the new post and then add your new information and submit. Then delete your first post (to avoid double posting). Now you have both posts without double posting AND it will appear to all the users as a new post (because it is). That makes us happy, makes you happy, and i consider that as Charlie Sheen would say "bi-winning".

[Hearte]

Thanks for the tutorial!

One question though.

When I delete my post while in edit, does just deleting it using the editor completely remove the post? In other words, will my deleted post not come up as a blank post with my avatar, etc. there but no writing?

I've seen "delete entire post" functions at other boards. I can't see one here, though that might be because my work computer is ancient.

hearte

[Ace Rimmer]

You need to click on the X next to Edit, that will delete the post.

Perhaps you need to put a post-it note on your computer so it will remind you not to Double Post. If you go to a thread and you are the last person who has made a post, then don't make another one, edit your last post to include you latest thought(s).

Every other forum I am on it is just a given, it is poor forum etiquette to double post.

[Gilded]

Can we take a moment here to bring some balance back to this thread??

I understand this website is for 'controversial topics with Ancient Aliens fans', as quoted on the banner- and so I definitely appreciate the diversity in theories involved for most of these topics, especially those based around Egyptian history and phenomena.

However, this thread seems to quickly be evolving to a sort of witch hunt based around those trying to fully explain, and those not willing to listen, but rather return with quick snaps as they've been taking facts as personal attacks against what seems to be internet egos. I've watched forums on this website for quite some time, but have never felt the need to interject - rather - I enjoy watching the debates unfold and move forward, eventually bringing everyone involved into a more informed area, and perpetuating our collective drive to further our own personal level of knowledge and desire for answers, no matter how theoretical they may be.

Harte has been posting, in considerable detail, great deals of information, sited very well. All responses read quite scholarly in rebuttle to the accusatory party, and try to explain properly why these many many short answer responses should be thought about more closely before being slathered upon this thread.

ilacewords - I must say I've enjoyed many of your contributions, but here they have definitely devolved into what seems to be summarized as stubborn stance against someone, edged by sexism ("which you ignored because you didn't like the female narrator.") - to list one brief example. Please stop in clogging up what should be a much more scholarly debate. Also, not to demerit the Pyramid Code series, but Hulu is definitely not known for its credibility when it comes to source videos. I recommend the NOVA videos as well as even the online adventure http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/ as perhaps an alternative.

Feel free to disregard any of my post as when it comes to actually posting on here, I am a newbie, but I have genuinely not found a need to interject anywhere until this thread. Hopefully moderators will take not of the imbalance that has been created here. If not, then perhaps this site is no longer for me....

-Gilded

[Moon]

Gilded, while Hearte does have some knowledge in the subjects, he tends to ignore much of the evidence presented to him. He also dismisses other ideas and theories and does not even read what the other researchers have to say on the subject. The minute he dismissed the very knowledgeable and respected Christopher Dunn (who has over 30 years experience as an engineer for a prestigious firm) showed me his main attempt was to debunk any idea on these forums.

We do encourage skeptics here, but do want them to be open minded and not totally dismissive as Hearte was. His last post was one of the most rude I have ever read, BTW. That showed he lacked the main quality he tried to present himself with here: Dignity.

I also watched the Nova program on the Sphinx and much of the evidence of water erosion was ignored. It also did not help that Dr Zahi Hawass was in most of the episode.

[armedequation]

nobody knows and thats the issue. If they did build them in 20 years they used technology unknown today. Yes theres evidence of copper saws and other tools but I dont believe that a workforce could have built it in that timespan let alone plan and build it. If we come upon something we dont understand then we usually tear it apart to its most basic level to figure it out and at the very least use what we found to make new technology. I would have an easier time believing that this is what the egyptians did to the great pyramid rather than build it from scratch in this timespan. If they did build it in that time then I do have to believe that some kind of machinery was used as humans tire no matter how many of them you have working for you or how drunk you get them at night

[ilacewords]

not to demerit the Pyramid Code series, but Hulu is definitely not known for its credibility when it comes to source videos. I recommend the NOVA videos as well as even the online adventure http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/ as perhaps an alternative.

I recommended the link from Hulu because a lot of people including myself and Hearte had expressed while at the workplace which is where a lot of people surf, youtube is blocked for use. There is also a website for the series. It's on youtube as well but broken into parts which most people will dismiss and not watch as a whole. Hulu happened to contain the episodes in their entirity. I was originally made aware of the series through my cable's documentary television station and went searching for it on the web.

I will agree with Max however that I also tend to ignore the Nova programs that contain(ed) Dr Hawass as he is known for blatantly covering up anything other than mainstream Egyptian ideas which have mostly originated with himself or been perpetuated by himself. Hearte was usually towing that line as well and not open to looking at alternatives.
I could have refrained from my statement about the femaie narrator but it did rub me the wrong way when he said that he turned it off 5 minues into it due to her. I mean she was the narrator, not the people who are all skilled with degrees in fields pertaining to the evidence for heaven's sake. It just seemed like a petty reason to disregard the evidence as a whole at the time. It still does....and I surely wrote that while I was most irritated about his reply. Sorry if it was offensive to anyone else who reads this thread.

[Bob137]

Still my understanding of Egyptology is that it is not an exact science, and it is a lot of guess work and opinion, and hopes of being right, utilizing possible dating with carbon dating, that may or may not be correct. Also newer stone dating methods date these pyramids and sphinx much older, so everything is still speculative until we find my ancient space ship I hid in the desert in a past life, Ha! ha!, just kidding! Now that infrared technology ahs found more structures to include possibly 17 pyramids under the sand, I am sure new evidence will support different findings than what Egyptologists have been stating, unless those get covered up also.

[Moon]

There are many areas of Egyptology where it is guesswork by the most part. While I do respect the old guard and their work in the field, I do think newer ideas need to be looked at as information comes available. The Great Sphinx is a good example as the head is much smaller than what should be on the monument itself. Robert Temple has done his research and makes a convincing argument that the head was a jackal (Anubis). Also, the erosion has been studied by geologists who know a thing or two about that sort of thing.

Those findings are outright dismissed without any discussion it seems. And that is why there are forums like Legendary Times to give these new ideas a place to be heard.

[Bob137]

I know I read Robert Shock's papers on the sphinx, and it does seem to be a lot older than is believed. Also as he stated and others have stated, sand and wind do not erode rock away in the same way, but Zari Hawass insists that it does, but I have not seen any evidence that supports that!

[Moon]

I know I read Robert Shock's papers on the sphinx, and it does seem to be a lot older than is believed. Also as he stated and others have stated, sand and wind do not erode rock away in the same way, but Zari Hawass insists that it does, but I have not seen any evidence that supports that!

A geologist knows the difference between wind and water erosion. As far as I know, Dr Hawass was did not get his degree in geological sciences. He really needs to listen to what these dedicated researchers have to say on the subject.

[Bob137]

I agree, like you said, that is their field of study, not his, so they know what they are talking about, and they are not just speculating, due to what they want to be, so it fits in with their theories, they actually are using science for their conclusions. Which I do believe that they are very good about going on what is there, not what they want to be there, such as what ZH seems to do, and he dismisses anything that is not within his beliefs on Egyptology!

[armedequation]

I agree, like you said, that is their field of study, not his, so they know what they are talking about, and they are not just speculating, due to what they want to be, so it fits in with their theories, they actually are using science for their conclusions. Which I do believe that they are very good about going on what is there, not what they want to be there, such as what ZH seems to do, and he dismisses anything that is not within his beliefs on Egyptology!

see thats the part that frustrates me: "and he dismisses anything that is not within his beliefs on Egyptology!"

mainstream society seems to want to put things in terms that fit with THEIR beliefs and thoughts on the subject rather than saying "I dont understand, but im going to figure it out"

[Bob137]

Yes, they could just act like a mature adult, and a great scientist, and state they the field of study which they are not in, states this certain time frame, I (ZH), believe from my findings in archeology, that it is this certain time frame. Their conclusions are from geology, mine from archeology. No science is absolute, and we are all still learning, so we have to go off of data, that we know, but that does not mean we are correct, it just mean, that this is what we theorize, unless we have facts to prove otherwise. As science progresses, we may find other finds, which prove otherwise to either theory, but in the meantime, I am holding onto what I believe, and they are holding onto what they believe, or one can state that since their is based off of geology, it is correct, or one can believe that based on Egyptology mine (ZH), is correct. We shall just have to wait until more is found, and learned to know for sure. "This would be a more adult way for ZH to act, but he is like a spoiled child, that throws tantrums, and wants his way, and Egypt, Egyptology, and Archeology puts up with him, like a parent that does not know how to teach, and learn, and discipline their kids correctly.

[mahalla2]

Perhaps the age of the pyramids will only be understood when all is taken into account, and by that I mean a concentrated effort on studying the ancient pyramids on both sides of the world. As I, along with others have stated before, there was a duality of life to these ancient people (played out in religious, ritualistic and secular ways) and the male/female role was significant. Is it so difficult to fathom that there could have been both a male and female connected center of economic and ritualistic/religious activity with many of the ancient maritime people traveling back and forth from these centers for economic and religious/ritualistic purposes? The opinion that the Great Pyramid was originally referred to as belonging to Isis makes perfect sense to me, and perhaps was a source of goddess worship (good or bad), and somewhere else (on the other side of the world for instance) there was a place of male centered worship, however, the two places co-existed with each other to complete the duality belief system of these ancient people. I truly believe once everyone will set their sights on this line of research the truth will be easier to find out, and we will have a better idea of just how old these places are, and their possible connection to the AAT.

[Moon]

I have read many books where the claim (and evidence is shown) that the base of the pyramids are much older than the structures themselves. It is possible the structures were built around the time the mainstream Egyptologists claim, but they do not look at the bases of the pyramids and see the differences of the ages.

It is stated the bases are at least 10,000 or more years old. If we can change our views that it is possible Khufu and those around him did construct the pyramids, the mainstream Egyptologists need to look into the idea that the knowledge and ground plans have been there for a much longer time.

[mahalla2]

I have read many books where the claim (and evidence is shown) that the base of the pyramids are much older than the structures themselves. It is possible the structures were built around the time the mainstream Egyptologists claim, but they do not look at the bases of the pyramids and see the differences of the ages.

It is stated the bases are at least 10,000 or more years old. If we can change our views that it is possible Khufu and those around him did construct the pyramids, the mainstream Egyptologists need to look into the idea that the knowledge and ground plans have been there for a much longer time.

yes, so Khufu probably revised what was already there -

[Randyrrr]

The granite structure is much older.
If you do the math with the outer stone and
the time frame it was suppose to be built in, it fits.

[mahalla2]

Seems to me it would be very difficult to date a section that originated as an outcropping of natural stone -

[Moon]

Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval are among the researchers who noted (and photographed) many areas around the base where the stone is different. They are the ones who used archeoastronomy to figure out where the constellations were to get the alignments of Orion's Belt to be much more exact. The date of the layout is over 11,000 years ago.

Someone drew up the plans a very long time ago, and the question is why?

[mahalla2]

It would make perfect sense to me that the Great Pyramid is over 11,000 years old because on the other side of the globe we have more pyramids that are also over 11,000 years old, and the original intent was most certainly connected in some strange way -

[seeker1117]

We just re-watched the episode putting forth the idea that the pyramids may be far older than is generally assumed and that Giza was actually a huge power generator, and that really does make sense on a lot of levels. I feel that most of the 'ancient' sites are waaaaaaay more ancient than the mainstreamers want to admit, and yes I'd wager that there were global communication & energy systems set up in ancient times. While there have been many "extinctions" humans have been continuously present via being helped/sheltered during these "extinction events", ie: the Hopi legends of being taken underground to survive "something" by the Lizard/Snake/Ant people and returned above ground, the underground city in Turkey, etc. And now we appear to be poised on the edge of yet another such "event".

Some of the gut-level feelings I come away with every time I watch an episode of the show: it's more than obvious that humans are far older than mainstream science says. There have been "advanced" civilizations for far longer than they postulate. Humans had knowledge of a technology akin to "magic" (ie: levitation of huge stones, knowledge of how to use ley-lines/energy-lines, flight, etc.) that has been intentionally suppressed by what now appear to be mostly sinister forces/peoples (churches/governments/NWO) who are themselves "in the know" of said technology for the express purpose of keeping humanity in its "place" (or, rather, the "place" they WANT it to stay).

Being "poised on the edge" as a species yet again, as such, I would hope that there is still some non-sinister, helpful faction of those "in the know" to counter the actions of the sinister.

[Bob137]

Obviously to me the pyramids and numerous other sites around the globe, have been dated according to the Darwinian point of view, and the religious point of view, but not done with an open mind of when they actually were built, and by who!
Also I know there used to be people who were against this Tyranny of Greed, and were trying to develop a way to stop the actions of the rich and powerful, but as it is now, I believe they did not succeed. I believe that if the majority of people wake up, and start utilizing their brains and learn what really is going on, it could be stopped, or at least brought to a more manageable level, where everyone could succeed, and become a more unified earth, without such as the NWO, but more of a federation as was in the Star Trek Scenario. Then we may be able to come to start utilizing the moon, and resources from there, and make a moon base for people to travel back and forth, and then stretch out to Mars, and possibly moons of other planets! That is one of my thoughts for mankind, to be a more unified people and do far better things, than greed and money for the few, and everyone else suffers for them! I like the Robin Hood scenario also, where we take fro the rich, and give to the poor, and stabilize our economy, to where everyone can live comfortably. then maybe people will start building more logically, and stay away from danger zones, and build homes that are more economical, ecological, and stronger to withstand forces, instead of building square box homes, which do not withstand up to hardly any type of cataclysm! so many opportunities for all, if we could get the greed under control.