Further Evidence of Aliens in the Bible?

[cRush]

I was reading the thread on the Tower of Babel and the scripture posted by Pons, and I came across an idea that I found somewhat fascinating. It supports the idea that God in the Bible is actually an alien(s). At first, you might think I am referring to the incessant use of pluralities when referring to God. However, this is a different concept that I haven't seen discussed as of yet.

Gen 11: 5 -- And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

This verse is very interesting because it suggests the following:
A) That God has to actually descend from the heavens in order to see the city and the tower.
B) That God is not omnipresent, and is actually off doing other things at times, allowing man enough time to erect this megalithic structure.

As I pondered this, I thought back about various scriptures I have read in the Bible that not only talk about God having to come down from the heavens to witness man's interactions, but more importantly, that there was some gap of time where God had been unaware, or oblivious, to what man was doing!!! Anyone who was raised in a Christian household, has probably been taught that God is omnipresent, meaning he is everywhere at once, and that he always knows what we are doing and thinking. It seems, though, that the Bible actually suggests something else entirely.

In this verse alone, we find that God has been away, unaware of what man has been creating - the Tower of Babel. Even by mainstream estimates, it took 20 years to build the Great Pyramid, and what we have described here as the Tower of Babel must be of an even greater magnitude. Thus, it is safe to assume that it's construction took on the order of at least 20 years to get to the point at which they were when God showed up.

So, we find that God actually has to physically descend upon the Earth to witness, and that there are time periods where he is completely absent from the happenings upon the Earth.

Discuss? Post other scriptures supporting this idea?

[missy]

I love this topic! I recently read the bible and couldn't believe some of the evidence. Here is one from Genesis:

Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

So God destroyed 2 cities based on something he heard? He didn't know?? And the only person he found righteous was the guy who offered up his 2 teenage daughters to a mob of men and said do what you will with them. Seriously?

[Corcaigh]

I used to know someone who was going to write a book detailing all the alien related parts of the Bible. I don't know if he ever did write it, and I've completely forgotten his name, so I can't look it up!

[missy]

I found this very disturbing -- these are clips from Leviticus.

What was the point of the daily burnt offerings? Was it to feed the AA's? I know the christians will say the point was to sacrifice to the Lord. But if he Lord eats and enjoys the smell of burnt animals, then he is human and not divine. Any loving, caring, forgiving God of mine would not order the killing of animals.


If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You are to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron’s sons the priests shall bring the blood and splash it against the sides of the altar at the entrance to the tent of meeting. You are to skin the burnt offering and cut it into pieces. The sons of Aaron the priest are to put fire on the altar and arrange wood on the fire. Then Aaron’s sons the priests shall arrange the pieces, including the head and the fat, on the wood that is burning on the altar. You are to wash the internal organs and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.

If the offering to the LORD is a burnt offering of birds, you are to offer a dove or a young pigeon. The priest shall bring it to the altar, wring off the head and burn it on the altar; its blood shall be drained out on the side of the altar.

From what you offer you are to present this food offering to the LORD: the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering, a pleasing aroma. All the fat is the LORD’s.

They shall remove all the fat, just as the fat is removed from the lamb of the fellowship offering, and the priest shall burn it on the altar on top of the food offerings presented to the LORD. In this way the priest will make atonement for them for the sin they have committed, and they will be forgiven.

[Slapfish]

The issue of burnt offerings is discussed by Zecharia Sitchin. The story of the deluge ends with God smelling the burnt offering that Noah placed on the alter and feeling remorseful about destroying the earth. In the older versions of the stories in other languages, there is more detail but this is a couple of lines from the Genesis version.

"20And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. "

So I wonder if he felt bad about killing people or because he missed the smell of cooking meat?

[missy]

I remember reading that and thinking, why did Noah go through all the trouble of saving these animals and then kill them and burn them on the alter He only brought 2 of each animal, so then did these species become extinct? And why would god allow this if he really wanted to save these animals? Plus wasn't it kinda wet to start a fire?

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I don't think he felt bad because he continuted to kill people and threathen to destroy the earth. My guess is that he was hungry.

[Slapfish]

Well the entire story of Noah is quite bizarre and doesn't make much sense. There was an episode of Ancient Aliens that speculated that perhaps the Ark held the DNA of the animals, not the actual animals themselves, which makes a lot more sense. I imagine it had to be something of that nature. Obviously it would be completely impossible to even hold two of every animal on an ark, much less feed and tend to them for 40 days and nights and to keep them from freaking out and tearing up the ark etc.... It's just a ridiculous story if taken literally as it is written. There simply has to be something about it that is misunderstood.

I imagine that in addition to the animals (or DNA) stored to repopulate the earth, that there were other animals taken aboard to feed Noah and his family for 40 days and nights. As far as finding wood to burn, that's a good question. If they landed on a mountain top so high up that it was the first place the water receded, it wouldn't have had any tress or much vegetation to begin with. The tops of mountains are usually very sparse. What would was there would have been waterlogged, having been under water for over a month. So you're right. Where did they find wood? Did they bring it with them? OR did they start hacking up the Ark since they didn't think they would need it any more?

In Sitchen's discussion of the story, there are multiple "Gods" who go to Noah and who smell the burnt offerings. They regret destroying mankind, but there are other factions at work who did not regret it and who still sought to destroy us. Enki vs Enlil. In the original stories there were multiple Gods mentioned, but when the stories were rewritten from a Christian perspective all of the diverse Gods were condensed into a single God. Thus making the stories even more confusing and muddled.

[deep thought]

i was just about to start a thread comparing the transfiguration of jesus to a contact with ET's. jesus became illuminated with a radiating light. could that have been elijah and moses getting beamed down so they could converse with jesus. a voice from a cloud in the sky saying "this is my son. listen to him" sounds like a loud speaker to me...

Once on the mountain, Matthew (17:2) states that Jesus "was transfigured before them; his face shining as the sun, and his garments became white as the light." At that point the prophets Elijah and Moses appear and Jesus begins to talk to them.

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!" — Mark 9:7

What was the point of the daily burnt offerings? Was it to feed the AA's? I know the christians will say the point was to sacrifice to the Lord. But if he Lord eats and enjoys the smell of burnt animals, then he is human and not divine. Any loving, caring, forgiving God of mine would not order the killing of animals.

i think the divine god we all want to believe in, only exist in our heads, in our faith. i think the AA that came here gave us that thought process to scare us into behaving. yes, fear is a great tool that doesnt need bloodshed to enforce. the AA, that were probably human-like, more than likely enjoyed the taste of meat if cooked properly. this could have led to some wild interpretation that they wanted burnt offerings. as far as tossing blood around. i dont think thats the first time someone has misinterpreted blood letting and the gods liking it. the aztecs?

[Annu'naki]

Its impossible for any Bible believer to deny the existence of Aliens. Its all throughout the Bible.

Revelation 4 and 5 presents 'God' seated somewhere not on this world, surrounded by other-worldly beings; and Revelation 12 says there was a great battle that took place in "the heavens", among beings that are not of this world.

Enoch and Elijah are presented as being abducted, and taken out of this world.

Ezekiel 1 portrays the 'God of Israel' flying through the air in a 'glowing metal' spacecraft with flashing lights, and roaring engines (NIV) ...accompanied by otherworldy beings (which just happen to resemble the hybrid Animal/human beings presented in Egyptian Hieroglyphs), and a contemporary prophet - Daniel, saw God flying in a vehicle with fire coming out from the bottom of it (Daniel 7).

And Jesus claimed to be NOT of this world: "You are of this world. I am not of this world" (John .

So whenever my Christian friends tell me Im crazy for believing in Aliens...I have to /facepalm.

Still, I think that many of these stories are based upon events that may have actually been witnessed, and then reinterpreted by the Ancient hebrews with their own spin on it (As they were just trying their best to make sense of it all).


If the God of anceint Israel really IS an Alien being, and the words/deeds attributed to Him in the OT are correct...we are screwed folks. He destroyed entire cities, and ordered the mass execution of entire groups of peoples...including the murders of little children and babies...without mercy (eg. 1 Sam 15:1-3).

[Tawny]

I love this topic! I recently read the bible and couldn't believe some of the evidence. Here is one from Genesis:

Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

So God destroyed 2 cities based on something he heard? He didn't know?? And the only person he found righteous was the guy who offered up his 2 teenage daughters to a mob of men and said do what you will with them. Seriously?

the mob of men were gay! they´d probably just do the girls hair

edit: OT, pretty much everything jesus says about his father (who art in heaven) is proof that yahweh is an alien.

[romanxxl]

Many original words in the bible were replaced by church with more acceptable.For example:,,gods soldiers'' changed to ,,gods angels''.
In old texts as well bible is saying ,,gods'' not ,,god''' so it means there were many not only one

[polaris]

Its impossible for any Bible believer to deny the existence of Aliens. Its all throughout the Bible.

Revelation 4 and 5 presents 'God' seated somewhere not on this world, surrounded by other-worldly beings; and Revelation 12 says there was a great battle that took place in "the heavens", among beings that are not of this world.

Enoch and Elijah are presented as being abducted, and taken out of this world.

Ezekiel 1 portrays the 'God of Israel' flying through the air in a 'glowing metal' spacecraft with flashing lights, and roaring engines (NIV) ...accompanied by otherworldy beings (which just happen to resemble the hybrid Animal/human beings presented in Egyptian Hieroglyphs), and a contemporary prophet - Daniel, saw God flying in a vehicle with fire coming out from the bottom of it (Daniel 7).

And Jesus claimed to be NOT of this world: "You are of this world. I am not of this world" (John .

So whenever my Christian friends tell me Im crazy for believing in Aliens...I have to /facepalm.

Still, I think that many of these stories are based upon events that may have actually been witnessed, and then reinterpreted by the Ancient hebrews with their own spin on it (As they were just trying their best to make sense of it all).


If the God of ancient Israel really IS an Alien being, and the words/deeds attributed to Him in the OT are correct...we are screwed folks. He destroyed entire cities, and ordered the mass execution of entire groups of peoples...including the murders of little children and babies...without mercy (eg. 1 Sam 15:1-3).

It's unanimous, "God" is an alien/off-worlder/ etc and it's not just 'One' person - it's people.
- biblical reference to Jacob's ladder is another...
- Gilgamesh's journey

Personally I am not too worried about their capability to destroy as that power will be directed at the deceivers/manipulators.
It is their ability to create that interests me...

[Kristine]

Have any of you read, I think it’s in Deuteronomy, the lines that give warning about genetic manipulation of crops and cattle? I found it years ago and was floored. Once again giving rise to the question; why were UNadvanced peoples warning their UNadvanced citizens not to cross cattle with another kind or crops with another kind. I grew up on a farm, and those who argue "no they are talking about hybridization," are full of beans crossing a Holstein with an Angus will do nothing but strengthen a breed same goes for crops. And you can not cross crops or cattle with "another kind” unless you do it at the genetic level.

[polaris]

ahh, the 5th Book in the Hebrew Bible - no I have not read it from cover to cover, just parts of it...
Indeed that is another example!...

It is perplexing (to me), genetics is inferred throughout Sumerian history and when it shows up in their/our religious texts - the experts say "oh no, it can't be, it is myth..."

I do speculate that messing with genetics can have unforeseen lethal consequences.

[Kristine]

Yes, why is it that the historians get to pick and choose which documented history is history and which is myth? And another question, how do they make that decision?

[Moon]

Yes, why is it that the historians get to pick and choose which documented history is history and which is myth? And another question, how do they make that decision?

Theologians are the ones who get to document which book belongs and which book doesn't. Most historians view the Bible as a book of myths or stories.

[polaris]

Yes, why is it that the historians get to pick and choose which documented history is history and which is myth? And another question, how do they make that decision?

As to why - my cynicism tells me the theologians want to preserve their view (and their power-$)
As to how - with much smoke and mirrors...

If you have the time, the history and goings-on during the Council of Nicea in 325 AD is probably the best case study around...

[Kristine]

Yes I agree when it comes to the bible I think we all know it was theologians that decided which books stayed and which got tossed. But, I was also referring to history in general. For example Romans tell us so and so was emperor at such and such. He did this that or the other......oh that defiantly happened. But, we also have documented accounts of Romans finding skeletons of giant proportion.......oh no that’s a myth.?. So my complaint is that if you are going to believe that our ancestors wrote down what they saw or experienced why do we ignore some and believe some. To me it is illogical!

[Buzi-Blu]

If you have the time, the history and goings-on during the Council of Nicea in 325 AD is probably the best case study around...

Yep. It makes me laugh. Just imagine it -

Is Jesus a god or a man? Start with a couple of presentations and then some SWOT analysis. Coffee break. More presentations and discussion. Running over time so need to have a quick vote. Result: Jesus is a god. Next item on the agenda....

Mind you I read somewhere that what actually happened was that the old guy that objected to Jesus being a god got punched in the face and it was decided that way.

[Moon]

If you have the time, the history and goings-on during the Council of Nicea in 325 AD is probably the best case study around...

Yep. It makes me laugh. Just imagine it -

Is Jesus a god or a man? Start with a couple of presentations and then some SWOT analysis. Coffee break. More presentations and discussion. Running over time so need to have a quick vote. Result: Jesus is a god. Next item on the agenda....

Mind you I read somewhere that what actually happened was that the old guy that objected to Jesus being a god got punched in the face and it was decided that way.

The funny thing is they became violent to those who had an opposing view of what they wanted passed. After that any dissenters were labeled as heretics and roasted alive for their beliefs and ideas.

[polaris]

Yes I agree when it comes to the bible I think we all know it was theologians that decided which books stayed and which got tossed. But, I was also referring to history in general. For example Romans tell us so and so was emperor at such and such. He did this that or the other......oh that defiantly happened. But, we also have documented accounts of Romans finding skeletons of giant proportion.......oh no that’s a myth.?. So my complaint is that if you are going to believe that our ancestors wrote down what they saw or experienced why do we ignore some and believe some. To me it is illogical!

I have heard the phrase, " the victor's story is what gets written" and as we know history is rife with victors, european history I suspect has been rewritten several times - as to which version is true... i guess there are some truths in each...
If asked who's would be more accurate, the history written by the aliens (gods etc) or egotistical, narrow-minded, narcissistic kings trying to make themselves look good - there's no contest as to who I would believe...

[freethinker2706]

I cannot find anywhere in the new testament where the name of YHWH is mentioned by Jesus or anyone else. He refers to "my father in heaven", but never by a name. There is conjecture that the Essenes (a Jewish sect of the time and third in numbers to the Pharisees and Sadducees) did not believe YHWH was the father of Jesus. The clothing Jesus and the disciples wore was the same as the Essenes wore. It is fact that most of the disciples were Essenes. The Essenes were a monastic sect and had monasteries in every town of any size. If you were one of them and traveling, you were guaranteed shelter and food with them. The Qumran scrolls (Dead Sea Scrolls) were written by the Essenes. The Israeli government kept them secret for fifty years before allowing anyone to see them and then only after much pressure. That would have been plenty of time to alter them in a way that would have made it difficult to spot the fact they had been altered. Can you imagine the problems for the Israeli people if there was even a hint that their God was not the father of Jesus? Something to think about.