"Scientist" Claims Crystal Skulls Are Fake

[Giorgio Tsoukalos]

Here we go! The disinformation campaign against the new In diana Jones movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has already begun.

A Harvard "scientist" claims that all crystal skulls are fake / fictional!

According to an article (see link below) "Harvard professor of archeology, expert on Mesoamerican cultures (particularly Mayan civilization), scholar of Aztec writing, Dr. Marc Zender is something of an authority on the skulls — and has a lot more insight into the meaning of the film's title [...] Although crystal skulls were once displayed in museums across the globe (including the Smithsonian) as proof of ancient Mayan grinding technology, they're actually all fakes, most likely manufactured in late 19th-century Germany. Zender said this makes the artifacts "as perfectly legitimate a subject for Indy's fictional adventures as either the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail."

Oooooo, Harvard, we must bow our heads in worship of the all-knowing Harvard "professor"...

They're all fakes? "Most likely" manufactured in late 19th-century Germany? Give me a break.

As is expected, Zeder muses that, allegedly, the supposed skulls' power are a catalyst for "Dawning consciousness, free brotherly love, sex with multiple partners without consequence, drug use, you know, tons of stuff."

What? No, I don't know! But do tell, professor! You see, there are indeed people out there who do believe in such nonsense, but it's usually the same people who believe that Elvis is still alive and that wearing a tinfoil hat shields you from secret government rays.

Professor, do not and you can not put the entire population in this same category! What an arrogant thing to do. There are highly intelligent, diligent people who are not only into this type of research but some of whom have dedicated their lives studying these topics.

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering why I put quotation marks around the word "scientist" it's because anyone claiming themselves to be a scientist while completely disregarding and mocking evidence in support of alternative theories, cannot be called a true scientist but an ignorant dogma-preservationist. Their arrogant superiority is baffling.

These "academics" are of the same dubious ilk as the "academics" who required Galileo Galiliei to recant his heliocentric ideas: the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical." It is a well established fact that Pope Urban VIII and the vast majority of Church officials did not believe in heliocentrism: "The proposition that the Sun is in the center of the known world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures", and the converse as to the Sun's not revolving around the Earth.

Blind ignorance is the root cause for continuous apathy of each society.

Check out the full article here (by the way, this article illustrates exactly what I was referring to in one of my previous entries: notice how this article refers to people interested in these topics as "New Age Believers" and Zender refers to them as "true believers" etc. etc.?)

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1569493/20070911/story.jhtml

[nathanallan]

I've been reading about the Skulls since I heard of them and can't believe that a professor of a "good" school would say such things. I actually left a comment (kinda smart aleky) about how we still can't reproduce a skull just like it. But the thing about sex with multiple partners, that's news to me!

This person sounds like he's totally figured out his universe, and if he ever came across a thing he couldn't explain, his head might explode.

I had a teacher like that.

As far as I can tell, we still don't know how they were made, why they were, or what they can do if anything.

I don't know what to say past this. I'm speechless.

Nathan

[Giorgio Tsoukalos]

Absolutely baffling!

[slavko.sk]

I just don't understand next thing:
We (I mean people who believe in AA) have to proof every detail, not only one time but many times, endless story.
But "scientist" just say something and it is true. Just because majority of the population like it, don't have to think about it and just accept it.
Is it crazy?
I never would believe 20 years ago that I will ever communicate from my home with people behind the ocean without any problems, more less online. Only thing at that time was phone, horrible expensive, communists did not allow just like that do a phone calls "to the west". Now we are talking about euros, traveling to US without visas, European Union.
Things change! That's principle. Does Harvard "scientist" know about that at all??? Sure, he is "scientist" and not scientist.
Just my opinion

[nathanallan]

Mainstream media at work. Prime example, this is. Big headlines, from a popular website, totally being manipulated by They Who Own. Some people call it Big Brother, and it's a plain manipulation of media. The masses who read it pass it along, and pretty much becomes background noise, but widely accepted noise. Seems a very widely known common mistake.

Nathan

[Bob137]

Yeah, that really irritates me too. I have hears professors, state similar junk, as though they are the authority of everything, and anyone who questions them, is either considered stupid, or crazy. It is a sad state of affairs, for the general public to accept such nonsense from someone as this, and this person should be ridiculed for being close minded, and utterly ridiculous!

[unwashedmasses]

Oohh, prestigious harvard! Lol!

I think Gerald Celente put it best: "princeton, harvard, yale... bullets bombs and banks." granted he's referring to presidents but you get the idea.

It really gets me when people get all snooty because they've graduated one of those enlightened, modern, prestigious, pisses rainbows and sh*ts butterflies universities and think that piece of paper they get at the end makes them all elite thinkers and such.

Honestly, I could care less about the degree/diploma/whatever unless the holder has something to show for it, like, you know actually contributing to a field.

Really, nowadays a degree means you're good at info retention and regurgitation, but it really doesn't speak for one's abilities in critical thinking and theorizing, challenging, proving and disproving. Those skills manifest usually in the form of publishing independent research, building working replicas, or publishing a magazine and making documentaries

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[Bob137]

I agree mostly, but not all who publish, publish the truth, or are even the least bit open minded. Many books that are published that are supposed history, are not even close to the truth.

[unwashedmasses]

^
Touche'

[cavemanstyle]

I'm living proof that you don't need a college degree to be extremely intelligent. It's natural, hereditary, and not something a college can install into you.

I sit around and think constantly about quantum mechanics, physics, and Ancient Technology about 80% of my day, and not on purpose either.

The Crystal skulls were mysteriously created. How and when... nobody knows. (Except their creators of course) .

Now, if he put's forth rock hard evidence that they're fake, then we can talk.

Right Giorgio?

-Caveman

[upperworld]

I agree mostly, but not all who publish, publish the truth, or are even the least bit open minded. Many books that are published that are supposed history, are not even close to the truth.

They should all be retitled "History: According to (insert author's name here)"

[cavemanstyle]

Honestly,

The truth about the crystal skull's authenticity and mystery lies with whether or not the story of the F.A. Mitchell Hedges skull that was found was really a hoax or not.

It is possible Hedges himself may have plotted this, who brough his daughter "Anna" along to Belize to give it to her "unknowingly" as a birthday present or a plot to make her herself believe it was genuine so that he could fool the public into thinking it was real also, by utilizing plausible deniability.

There is no doubt that the crystal skull was made, but by who is the mystery, and how of course, and by solving the mystery of whether or not the skull was put in the hole by Mitchell Hedges for his daughter to find is how we can possibly determine it's origin.

Also, Mitchell Hedges himself may have known who created it. It's also possible he got it from a source that may or may not have known how it was made, however, which would really turn out to be another greater mystery.

The first person you would talk to, would be his assistant who is no longer living, but may have left behind some details about it somewhere written down.

You can't ask Anna, because she may not have known her father put it in the hole which makes her an unreliable witness.

You can't ask Mitchell Hedges, because he would have to admit to a possible guilt that he himself only knew the secret that it was fake. (and possibly an assistant). Although, no one has found it to be fake yet, so he is not yet guilty of that.

I do not think that Mitchell Hedges would have wrote down anywhere that he faked the find, nor would you find any self incriminating evidence from him or his artifacts just due to the fact that it's still a mystery and wanted to keep it that way.

My guess about the mystery is this... there's only two people who knew whether or not the skull was fake...

His assistant (I don't know if he had one, or a friend, but this would have been the only other that knew and I would follow this trail first).

Two, the actual creators of the skull.

From what I can see, the only way to solve this mystery is find some form of written incriminating evidence from people involved, or find concrete evidence of where the skull came from which the creators can't or won't come forward with so it is highly unlikely they will in the future.

Also, the natives are not good sources to speak with, because they started worshipping the crystal skull as if it was some sort of god to them. Forget that idea lol

-Caveman

[Bob137]

If it is a fake, then it is the best one known to mankind. Hewlett Packard checked it out, and they didn't think it was a fake. Especially since how it was made. To conclude it was a fake, based on what evidence? The evidence so far to date, scientifically has proven it not to be a fake. Just because some scientist states that they are all fakes, based on supposition, no actual evidence, is totally unfounded, ridiculous, illogical, and not one person who has a soundness of mind, should even consider his assumptions, (excuse me for being brash) I do not just believe someone n the Ancient Astronaut Theory as fact, who has not researched it themselves. I myself have researched many strange, and out of place artifacts, and by scientific deduction, and observation, and reasoning come to a conclusion, not based on assuming, but upon what actual evidence is found. When a ball with machine grooves is found to be in the ground area millions of years old, or a spark plug in coal, that is hundreds of thousands to millions of years old, I do not just assume that they are fakes or real, I actually research in what area, how deep, and what conditions they were found in, by whom, how many people witnessed, what they are made of, etc... and I am not even a scientist, just a researcher! So an actual scientist, should be openminded, actually checking the data on findings, doing his research, (homework), check it out himself, with the latest equipment, then by deduction come to a conclusion, not just assuming they are all fakes, because they do not fit in with his general theories of history, etc...

[Don Morace]

Hi Folks,Don here with a thought.Giorgio said that having a crystal skull is like having a super computer with the knowledge of all mankind etc.We just don't have the on off switch,so here is my thought;We know our brains work on very low voltage and amperage,so why not hook up a monitor screen to it and turn on the required electric charge??That might be the switch we're looking for considering that the skulls are anotomically correct all we would be doing is supplying the necessary energy for it to function.Don out......................

[doctorword]

well here we go again. It's time forrrrrrrrr "Doctorword is an idiot!"

I have no idea what the crystal skulls are

[Moon]

The crystal skulls are artifacts found in the Americas that are skulls made of crystal. They are very beautiful and the construction of them would of needed some very fine tool using skills. Some claim they are really ancient and were used by some of the older tribes for rituals. Others claim they have some type of power and were used for other purposes (stargates etc).

A few engineers claim they were made in the 19th Century, however other specialists in that field claim they could of been made much earlier. One of the problems with crystal is the same as stone, it is difficult to age the artifact.

Type in crystal skulls and you can find all kinds of sites, but most of them are a bit new age in how they deal with the subject. Here is one site I found from the American Archeological Association that is rather interesting:

http://www.archaeology.org/0805/etc/indy.html

[Bob137]

I thought the same things, idiot! Also hooking up a computer and a screen, but what code to break the mystery? I don't know, maybe ask the Mayans, or a computer genius, or one of those hackers to help!

[doctorword]

the crystal skulls will be my research for tomorrow. thank you

[bill loika]

once again we have truth by proclamation from an elitist intellectual,no research necessary,he comes from Harvard,he knows everything.Maybe if he can pull his head out off his butt long enough he can explain HOW the skull was made using 19th century technology.If he did any research he would know that people who do gem stone cutting and polishing are baffled by the skull.But of course,they didn't graduate from Harvard.

[Hearte]

once again we have truth by proclamation from an elitist intellectual,no research necessary,he comes from Harvard,he knows everything.Maybe if he can pull his head out off his butt long enough he can explain HOW the skull was made using 19th century technology.If he did any research he would know that people who do gem stone cutting and polishing are baffled by the skull.But of course,they didn't graduate from Harvard.

You're kidding, right?

The Mitchell Hedges skull was "found" in the late 1920's. This was the first one.

The others came later.

Lapidaries were carving gems as hard as quartz (and harder) using electric grinding tools by then. So, you need to come up with a new question.

All this whining about a scientist, I'd like to know the following:

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering why I put quotation marks around the word "scientist" it's because anyone claiming themselves to be a scientist while completely disregarding and mocking evidence in support of alternative theories, cannot be called a true scientist but an ignorant dogma-preservationist.

Giorgio accused this guy of "disregarding...evidence" here. Exactly what is the evidence that this scientist "disregarded" concerning these quartz skulls in this case? Does he mean claims? After all, that is all there is.

If one person claims it's fake and another claims it's real, in the absense of any further evidence both claims can be completely disregarded. There's nothing wrong with that.

No crystal skull has ever been found in situ. Every ancient artifact ever found has a context, yet not a single crystal skull has come to us with any context at all.

I can tell you this much, if you've read that this thing was "carved against the grain of the crystal" and that such a feat is something modern people can't accomplish, then stop reading and walk away because that is simply a lie.
Crystal does have a "grain." But anyone that can carve crystal can carve against that grain without a problem.

Also, the story about some native tradition that there are thirteen of these things and when brought together they will (fill in the blank with your own idea here) is a modern fabrication. No such cultural tradition actually exists, anywhere.

At least, not until the first time that story was told, sometime in the 20th century.

Hearte

[Vance]

Hartt,

Most likely when people say "grain" they are referring to "axis", as in, if you cut against the crystal's natural axis, it will break.

I don't like that the lady who supposedly found this at the Mayan city of Lubaantan didn't allow for further testing, because the only thing the HP tests found was that it was carved from the same block of crystal.

I have read that the Mayans had legends about crystal skulls, but they did not make them, they only looked after them.

[Bob137]

Has anyone not noticed that all the crystals skulls that are definitely fakes, look like fakes. They were made with current technology. I have not seen one made from crystal of current technology that looks like the original first one found? If someone has, I would like to see it. Not one that looks similar, but just as good quality and looks just like it!

[Moon]

once again we have truth by proclamation from an elitist intellectual,no research necessary,he comes from Harvard,he knows everything.Maybe if he can pull his head out off his butt long enough he can explain HOW the skull was made using 19th century technology.If he did any research he would know that people who do gem stone cutting and polishing are baffled by the skull.But of course,they didn't graduate from Harvard.

In the article I linked up the research was done by an esteemed archeologist. She is not the person in the original article as posted, but does state the crystal skulls were manufactured recently (19th to early 20th Century).

As Hearte also states, the main thing going against most of the crystal skulls is they were found in the mid 1930s and the stories were embellished by those who found them.

Even if they are fakes, they still are beautiful to look at and would be very interesting conversation pieces to have.

[Hearte]

As Hearte also states, the main thing going against most of the crystal skulls is they were found in the mid 1930s and the stories were embellished by those who found them.

Even if they are fakes, they still are beautiful to look at and would be very interesting conversation pieces to have.

I can certainly agree with that.

My problem is with the New Agers that are taking people's money over this, though it's certainly not my place to tell someone what to do with their own money.

Did you know that you can buy a crystal skull and then pay extra to have it "charged" by a supposedly "powerful" crystal skull that remains in the possession of the seller?

Google it. The world abounds with scams. This is one of them, though certainly not the worst!

Hearte

[Moon]

I can certainly agree with that.

My problem is with the New Agers that are taking people's money over this, though it's certainly not my place to tell someone what to do with their own money.

Did you know that you can buy a crystal skull and then pay extra to have it "charged" by a supposedly "powerful" crystal skull that remains in the possession of the seller?

Google it. The world abounds with scams. This is one of them, though certainly not the worst!

Hearte

There is an old saying that goes something along the lines of: A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Fetapro]

I wonder if the professor is engaging in "the assumption of arrogance"?
To the best of my knowledge from all that I have read we cannot produce artifacts with our technology.
Also this reminds me of a group of scientist who were traveling in Central America. They were familiar with the round stones in the area. It was thought by classic science that we did not have the technology to produce the same type of stones with the same accuracy.
These scientist were traveling through the countryside one day when they saw an old man producing a round stone.He was jsut using a hammer to pound it. (Like the Inca did). They stopped and went and asked how he made the stone. He reached over an picked up a wood template with part of a circle on it. He said that he used a hammer to pound off material until it fit the template. The scientist asked were he got the template? He said that he made it. They asked if he would show them how? He took our a piece of cardboard and a string, the placed the string in the center and used a pencil attached to the other end he drew a circle on the cardboard. Any questions?
It is possible that the inhabitants of that area knew how to grind crystal to the dimensions and quality level that the skulls possess.
The process could be simple. A search of the inhabitants could be helpful in recovering the technology.

[Nostalgia]

I just finished watching the Ancient Aliens episode that touches on the legend of the 13 crystal skulls. Supposedly representing 13 different worlds. Earth being one of them. I was just wondering if anyone has more information on this legend/story or where one can find further information about it. I found the whole idea really interesting and am craving more info on it

[skyeye]

The crystal skulls mystery is a good topic because no one can get their hands around it. There are some skulls in museums and a few in private collections. I watched a documentary that was only about the skulls and was impressed to find out that a private owner of one of the skulls uses it to heal other people through a spirtiual guide. It could be for money I don't know for sure but I think the magnetic crystal skulls are legit.

[celticqueen]

Hi, i have been interested in the Crystal Skulls for some time now and i purchased (very reasonably priced) e-books which give information which was channeled by a well renowned Canadian psychic through the crystal skulls from pleiadians. I know it is not everyones cup of tea, channelling etc and i do believe the vast majority are deliberate fakes or are delusional and ego based but for me these two e-books (The Skull Speaks and Beyond the Veil of Time) made things click into place in my mind anyway. The website is http://www.crystalskulls.com/
The subjects discussed are wide and varied but i would like to point out a few things about Quartz and the Skull shape-
1st of all as i am sure most of you are aware Quartz is a hard substance, and can transmit ultraviolet light it does not split easily and piezoelectric. This means it vibrates a bit when an electric current passes through it. When it is put under pressure, quartz can generate a small electric charge by itself. As well as being used for jewellery it is widely used in the business world - It's first use was in SONAR as a detector / transducer (in 1917) is uses today are the oscillators parts of radio sets, television sets and computer chips and clocks (Quartzs digital watches are renowned for their precision).
2ndly Many ancient societies treat the Skull shape as the embodiment of Life (consciousness etc) and not Death as it mostly associated with in today's society, especially Mexico and surrounding areas (where a few (6 - i think) of the most well known Crystal Skulls were found).

Sorry if i am preaching to the converted but i thought i'd put them in context.

One bit of information given which might be of interest was re the Great Pyramid - as stated elsewhere on the board The great pyramid's base-height dimensions matches Earth's e.g. equator & poles. The book goes on to stipulate that "the Great Pyramid was once covered in Oriental Alabaster a variety of white calcite, which not only turned the structure into a a magnificent monument sheathed in a marble like cover, but also turned it into an enormous electrical capacitor - or battery - through which electromagnetic energy could be both generated and stored until it reached the point of saturation. At this point the energy would be released into the heavens through the apex of the capstone creating an extremely powerful electro-vibrational field." the author goes on
"It was this electromagnetic field that was able to penetrate the dimensional barrier creating - as it did so - an inter-dimensional beacon that could reach into the 'Time less' dimension thereby reaching everywhere in the Universe at once. All that an advanced space travellers navigational instrumentation need do to locate 'Planet Earth' would be to read the signal pattern from the Great Pyramid for in effect it is able to say 'This is Planet Earth 40,074.156 Units around the Equator; 9,942.209 units around the poles for these are the precise measurements are embodied in the base-height dimensions of the Great Pyramid itself........."

"To further locate other places on this planet there are a variety of other pyramid-like structures, obelisks, stele and other electromagnetic storage mounds that could readily be coded to pinpoint their exact locations to any and all advanced navigators."

As an aside, where is the capstone other than being on the reverse of a $1 bill. I tried to attach an image of the said reverse side - but wouldn't let me so here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_one_dollar_bill,_reverse.jpg
I was wondering if the capstone was crystal then that would aid its communication facilities amongst other things???

A lot of people will rubbish such stuff (nothing i ain't heard before) and that is their right but for those that are open minded about such stuff it is food for thought.
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[Sunrisepony]

The Crystal Skulls are storage devices that were likely created with a lazer or a high energy thingy that could shape the crystal without touching it or grinding on it. As there are no "grinding" strayations(sp?). When the 13 of them are put together and the Ancients are sure we are ready for the knowledge, they will release it. As for why we don't have the "on/off" switch. It's because it's Biologically and Energy Oriented. That Harvard guy is someone that really needs to get his head screwed on properly by our AAT boys and learn the TRUTH.

[celticqueen]

Totally agree sunrisepony, they are receptacles of knowledge and the knowledge will only be given at the correct time.

p.s. re the Great pyramid as a beacon idea that has the same dimensions of earth. I believe a pyramid like object has been spotted on Mars so maybe they are on every planet thats something to chew over ain't it. I found that bit of info very interesting.

[Sunrisepony]

That is very interesting. And yeah, imagine the storage capacity of one of those Skulls? And, once we learn how to harness the propulsion capabilities of certain types of crystals, it might just solve our space travel issues. They likely are just what we need to enter hyper dimensional space. I would say they ARE just what we need to do it, but then I'd have to explain it and I can't yet at this point.

[Moon]

I am one who does think the crystal skulls were made in the late 19th or early 20th Centuries. However, it is very difficult to tell when they were carved as we have evidence of ancient machines being used in Egypt to carve some of their monuments and statues (courtesy of Christopher Dunn). I have since revisited these crystal skulls and do think it is possible they were made thousands of years ago.

Since there is no real way to tell the age of these artifacts, we must all keep an open mind on them.

[Bob137]

I remember reading at one time archeologists stating that they were made by the indigenous people their whole life by rubbing the crystals over many generations of them doing this to finally come up with the crystal skull. To me that is equivalent to saying man rubbed the stones at Puma Punku with their hands until they made all those precision cuts and lines, and all shaped by hand. That sounds ridiculous to me. I think that as was stated by the ones who first inspected the main skull at HP that we did not have the technology to do it! To me the only way it could possibly have been done is with some technology we do not have, or by lasers. So either by an advanced prior civilization or ET's. You can believe what you want, but the ones that are produced today can not compare to the real ones of long ago.

[celticqueen]

hi i am in favour of some of them at least being of ET origin.
The MH (Mitchell-Hedges) skull which Hewlett Packard tested has all the skull points of a normal human skull (and detachable jaw) and a photo fit of a reconstructed face using these points was done in Canada (i think) and the photo fit was of a female who looked Native American (Central, North or South) in origin. Very interesting and amazing craftmanship to get all these 'points' on a piece of crystal me thinks.