Massive 8.9 Earthquake near Japan

[ilacewords]

I think what they really need is funds to help deal with recovery. I heard on the news this morning that in the first four days after the Haiti quake they had raised about 150 million to help and so far they've gotten about 47 million for Japan. They need to have a big celebrity telethon or something. Not to sound cheesy but this raised a lot of money before for Haiti and I think could help. I believe the news story was only talking about the funds that the Red Cross has raised so far and not necessarily other programs going on. I still think they need one big one on all the channels again like before.

Edit for a story I just caught on dailymail: UN predicts nuclear plume could hit U.S. by FRIDAY as Obama finally falls in line with the rest of the world and starts evacuating American citizens from Japan

I would like to say that this does have a graphic with a plume coming over though most of it does look to be very small amounts arriving. I don't want to start people getting crazy afraid of this but I don't know if it could worsen maybe if this isn't brought under control soon? (graphic is too large to post here, it runs off the page and doesn't show the US arrival but is on the link below)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366920/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-UN-predicts-nuclear-plume-hit-US-Friday.html#ixzz1GrXvkGG8

[Foxlike Mulder]

A US geologist with a strong track record is predicting a major quake in the US (Pacific) in the next week-10 days. He makes a strong case for patterns in earthquakes and wildlife events (million fish Redondo Beach), plus moon and tide shifts. Check it out:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/486/694/ ... inent.html

Some Russian agency called the RUSSIAN INSTITUTE of PHYSICS of the EARTH is also predicting a mega quake in the next two weeks; they have a website, but it's mostly in Russian (there is an English tab, but it only does the hoe page it seems). Many of the alternative news sites have covered this press release. I didn't know this (and it may not be true), but the Russians (and Brits) are evidently leading experts when it comes to earthquakes/geological predictions.

http://www.ifz.ru

[amyrigg]

in about 24 hours the moon will be closest to the earth, with the most pull on our tides and gravity in 18 years - i would be apt to think a major geologic event will happen sooner than 10 days, although i could be wrong - i'm a medical transcriptionist not einstein, so take that with a grain of salt

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/

you can see at that link from the u.s. geological service when earthquakes happen within the past hour, day, and week ... yeah, i'm an obsessive personality ... i love you {wink} <3

[Pons Asinorum]

I found this site earlier, and it gives a little more info. on the nuke plants and the radiation status in Japan. I get a little confused with all the numbers that pertain to radiation levels, so is 400 millisieverts (mSv) per hour radiation dose something to be concerned with or is it nothing?

Good question. Here are some brief numbers I found:

0.001 mSv in Tokyo yesterday: per hour
0.01 mSv dental x-ray per sec
0.02 mSv chest x-ray: 1 dose per less-than-1 sec
2.40 mSv average: per year
9.00 mSv Pacific aircrew: per year
13.0 mSv smoking: 1.5 packs per day
400 mSv Fukushima: per hour
450 mSv Chernobyl: per days

The smoking stats from Forbe Blogs

All others: Reuters/Yahoo news

I converted these to a per second basis so the units are the same (mSv / s):

0.0000003 in Tokyo yesterday
0.0002 smoking
0.0003 Pacific aircrew
0.01 dental x-ray
0.02 chest x-ray
0.06 average
0.111 Fukushima
0.125 Chernobyl

Also, from the Reuters source:

100 mSv "an increase in cancer is clearly evident": per year
1000 mSv radiation sickens, not death: 1 dose
5000 mSv 50% fatal: 1 dose
10000 mSv 100%: 1 dose


If these are accurate numbers, things are bad and caution is more than warranted, but maybe the cold and lack of shelter, fuel and supplies might be a more immediate danger to those areas beyond Fukushima. The death rate from the more pressing matters might be much higher than the perceived danger from the radiation.

If help is reluctant to go into those areas out of fear, then the true scope of this tragedy may increase needlessly.

(I see our President has decided to have his administration supersede the recommendations of the Japanese government -- there will be many deaths as a result, the calculation being that more people will be saved from the radiation, rather than killed by lack of food/shelter/panic. I hope he knows what he is doing.)

In times like these, human beings are tested. Some rise to the challenge, some, not so much. I hope reason and compassion rule the coming days, rather than speculation and fear.

[amyrigg]

precaution and forethought is good
no point in running around screaming and panicking
we are all going to live until we die
i'm glad it's cold weather snowing up there on that reactor, cool down thing cool down

[kamakadazio]

Japanese cherish the simple amid compounded tragedy

Tokyo (CNN) -- Comfort sprouted from the mundane Thursday as Japanese refused to buckle under the weight of mounting tragedies.

In the hardest-hit parts of the disaster-struck nation, thousands of people, many of them frail and elderly, settled in into shelters not knowing when, if ever, they might be able to leave.

They cherished the ordinary. Standing in line for lunch. Or arranging the few belongings they salvaged before water washed away their homes.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap ... tml?hpt=C1

[spacerelatives]

Pons, could you furnish a link regarding Obama's decision not to help? Thank you

[Pons Asinorum]

Pons, could you furnish a link regarding Obama's decision not to help? Thank you

A far as I know, the US military is helping. Also, there are several state and fed agencies in Japan assisting. I am not sure where you heard that our President has decided to not to help, that is a falsehood.

[spacerelatives]

Pons, could you furnish a link regarding Obama's decision not to help? Thank you

A far as I know, the US military is helping. Also, there are several state and fed agencies in Japan assisting. I am not sure where you heard that our President has decided to not to help, that is a falsehood.

What was Obama's offer for help? Or what exactly was his decision?

thank you


"If help is reluctant to go into those areas out of fear, then the true scope of this tragedy may increase needlessly.

(I see our President has decided to have his administration supersede the recommendations of the Japanese government -- there will be many deaths as a result, the calculation being that more people will be saved from the radiation, rather than killed by lack of food/shelter/panic. I hope he knows what he is doing.)"

[Pons Asinorum]

Pons, could you furnish a link regarding Obama's decision not to help? Thank you

A far as I know, the US military is helping. Also, there are several state and fed agencies in Japan assisting. I am not sure where you heard that our President has decided to not to help, that is a falsehood.

What was Obama's offer for help? Or what exactly was his decision?

thank you


"If help is reluctant to go into those areas out of fear, then the true scope of this tragedy may increase needlessly.

(I see our President has decided to have his administration supersede the recommendations of the Japanese government -- there will be many deaths as a result, the calculation being that more people will be saved from the radiation, rather than killed by lack of food/shelter/panic. I hope he knows what he is doing.)"

Read the first word of the sentence carefully:

"If help is reluctant to go into those areas out of fear, then the true scope of this tragedy may increase needlessly."

Once that is in order, evaluate the conditional and determine if it can be true.
Once that is in order, consider what would happen if the conditional was true and aid and help does not reach the affected areas.
Draw your own conclusion.

--

Now for the second sentence of a new paragraph:

"I see our President has decided to have his administration supersede the recommendations of the Japanese government -- there will be many deaths as a result, the calculation being that more people will be saved from the radiation, rather than killed by lack of food/shelter/panic. I hope he knows what he is doing.)"

First note that my statement: "supersede the recommendations" does not equal your statement: "Obama's decision not to help," in fact to equate them is a falsehood.

Second note that the US government has declared that all American citizens need to clear out of a 50 mile radius from Fukushima, yet the Japanese government recommends 18 miles (TV, web, newpapers). I failed to mention this explicitly, perhaps this is where some of the confusion lies.

Third, imagine a Japanese person who is (say) within 30 miles of Fukushima. The temperatures are freezing, there is no food, shelter, fuel, or anything else needed. Imagine that person will die without help.

Fourth, determine the chances that person will receive help prior too and after the US decided to superseded the Japanese recommendations.

Fifth, draw your own conclusion: which is greater.

Now, apply to a region where hundreds-of-thousands are in need and extrapolate the death rate with and without the US decision -- evaluate which is greater, before or after.

Finally, the cold-calculation: determine if those excess deaths are more-than or less-than those that are likely to die from radiation (using Chernobyl as a worse case scenario, about 50 or so).

Politically the President made a good decision, but ignoring that -- did he make the right one? I hope so.

[spacerelatives]

Appreciate it, Pons. Thank you

[Serene]

If there really ARE/WERE benevolent aliens watching us - HELLO!! This would be a good time to give us a hand here?

[Ace Rimmer]

Thank you for all the information Pons.
Fukushima is not far behind Chernobyl. I don't hold out a lot of hope for it staying there either.

I think we can quit waiting for benevolent Aliens to help us out.

[Moon]

It is interesting that the days after I watched "The China Syndrome" at a theater ($3.50 for an adult ticket back then), the Three Mile Island incident happened.

Chernobyl is still the worse accident as the city around it is still uninhabitable.

In all three cases, it does seem like very little information is being released. That was especially true of Three Mile Island and the former residents had to sue to get medical care for radiation related illnesses.

Nuclear power is very dubious to work with. The case in Japan shows there are many million to one scenarios that do happen.

[Ace Rimmer]

Let's give Gaddafi a few big buckets and send him and his sons in to pour water onto the spent fuel rods.

[Moon]

Let's give Gaddafi a few big buckets and send him and his sons in to pour water onto the spent fuel rods.

That is cheaper than bombing him and innocent civilians in Libya.

UPDATE:

The power has been partially restored at the nuclear power plant in Japan. This will help keep the reactor cores cool.

[Theory]

Should be interesting to see if its even going to work. I'm a bit doubtful considering all the damage, and its been how long since they had them under the right temp.? A little over a week? Have they done anything about, I think its number four, that had no water in the tank with the spent rods? I do hope this takes care of it.

Thanks Pons for the information.

[angeloneastralseed]

Well, Luna and anyone else living here along the Pacific North West- the storm that was in and passing through Japan when the 1st tower exploded, will arrive on the coast of Washington, Oregon, and California tonight. We are being warned of possible flooding and heavy snow here in my town. I sure hope the clouds didn't bring a little something extra with them, but I know that is wishful thinking. I think tomorrow will have to be a day of Texas Hold 'em all day!

Hey check this out - It's the sound of the earthquake in Japan.

http://listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html

[Ace Rimmer]

The announcement of power was a mistake, they still don't have any, unless they just got it going. When I went to bed last night they reported it was a false report, they sure don't know what is going on there sometimes!

Angel, we have a strong east wind blowing this morning.

Hope it doesn't get too stormy down your way as predicted.

[Serene]

I think we can quit waiting for benevolent Aliens to help us out.

So you really think they are just sitting out there rubbing their hands and waiting for one disaster after another to happen here on earth? Or that some of them are even amongst us?

I know some or most of you believe that we are being monitored or infiltrated by aliens but I don't know if I buy into that.

[Theory]

I don't know if this information was ever released to the news, but just in case I figured I would post it. These are reports of the workers at the nuke plant.

Injuries

2 TEPCO employees have minor injuries;
2 subcontractor employees are injured, one person suffered broken legs and one person whose condition is unknown was transported to the hospital;
2 people are missing;
2 people were "suddenly taken ill";
2 TEPCO employees were transported to hospital during the time of donning respiratory protection in the control centre;
4 people (2 TEPCO employees, 2 subcontractor employees) sustained minor injuries due to the explosion at Unit 1 on 11 March and were transported to the hospital; and
11 people (4 TEPCO employees, 3 subcontractor employees and 4 Japanese civil defense workers) were injured due to the explosion at Unit 3 on 14 March.

Radiological Contamination

17 people (9 TEPCO employees, 8 subcontractor employees) suffered from deposition of radioactive material to their faces, but were not taken to the hospital because of low levels of exposure;
One worker suffered from significant exposure during "vent work," and was transported to an offsite center;
2 policemen who were exposed to radiation were decontaminated; and
Firemen who were exposed to radiation are under investigation.

[Ace Rimmer]

I think we can quit waiting for benevolent Aliens to help us out.

So you really think they are just sitting out there rubbing their hands and waiting for one disaster after another to happen here on earth? Or that some of them are even amongst us?

I know some or most of you believe that we are being monitored or infiltrated by aliens but I don't know if I buy into that.

I don't know if I buy into that either. If they are out there then they know we are totally trashing this planet.

The entire mess in Japan is really upsetting me so much. I had to fight back tears last night watching the news when they were talking about the worker at Fukushima, I like to think of myself as a tough old bird, but I'm not.

The Japanese government acknowledged Friday that it was overwhelmed by the scale of last week's twin natural disasters, slowing the response to the nuclear crisis that was triggered by the earthquake and tsunami that left at least 10,000 people dead. A decent current article from a local news station in Seattle.
http://www.komonews.com/news/national/1 ... height=173

[Moon]

The people working to contain the nuclear cores are true heroes. These people are risking certain radiation poisoning and illnesses doing their jobs and we should all keep them in our thoughts and prayers.

[spacerelatives]

This is bad.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/japans- ... on=1206828

AND

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... =allsearch

[angeloneastralseed]

That is bad, thanks for the links.

Angel, we have a strong east wind blowing this morning.

Hope it doesn't get too stormy down your way as predicted.

Yup, heavy rain, then turned to heavy snow.

Sure hope we can trust this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories ... 5698_x.htm

[spacerelatives]

That is bad, thanks for the links.

Angel, we have a strong east wind blowing this morning.

Hope it doesn't get too stormy down your way as predicted.

Yup, heavy rain, then turned to heavy snow.

Sure hope we can trust this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories ... 5698_x.htm

Amen to that.

Looks like things could still get worse though.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 8720110316

EDIT: That article was from Tuesday. It might have been posted before. Looks like it still applies though.

[Ace Rimmer]

It can't get much worse...read the whole article. They need to dump boron and concrete over everything and seal it up, like the did in Chernobyl.

TOKYO (AP) - A suspected breach in the reactor at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant could mean more serious radioactive contamination, Japanese officials revealed Friday, as the prime minister called the country's ongoing fight to stabilize the plant "very grave and serious."
The situation today at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant is still very grave and serious. We must remain vigilant," Kan said. "We are not in a position where we can be optimistic. We must treat every development with the utmost care."
http://www.komonews.com/news/national/1 ... height=173

[spacerelatives]

I don't think Japan will ever entomb the nukes. Because that would require them admitting that the situation is completely out of control.

Gorbachev in Russia was an exceptional forward-thinking leader. I haven't seen any evidence of that in Japan to this date.

[Ace Rimmer]

I don't think Japan will ever entomb the nukes. Because that would require them admitting that the situation is completely out of control.

Gorbachev in Russia was an exceptional forward-thinking leader. I haven't seen any evidence of that in Japan to this date.

Man too bad somebody can't make them do it, they can never us those plants again anyway.

[ilacewords]

This is stunning....

Did HAARP cause the Japan Earthquake?

The image below is a time-frequency spectrogram, which shows the frequency content of signals recorded by the HAARP Induction Magnetometer. This instrument, provided by the University of Tokyo, measures temporal variations in the geomagnetic field in the ULF (ultra-low frequency) range of 0-5 Hz. The spectrogram images are produced by computing the PSD (power spectral density) of successive 102.4-second segments of timeseries data, and plotting these spectra as color/intensity slices along a 24-hour scale. If the images below is not too interesting, you might want to look at 02 Sep 2004 for an example of narrowband PC1 pulsations, or 27 Jul 2004 for an example of wideband ULF noise during a magnetic substorm. Expanded plots of the last 12 hours, last 6 hours, last 3 hours, and last 1 hour are also available.



A magnetometer can be used to predict as well as give evidence of a HAARP created earthquake. A magnetometer measures disturbances in the magnetic field in Earth's upper atmosphere. It is not a seismometer which measure motions of the ground. The magnetometer doesn't measure seismic activity it measures and records electromagnetic frequencies in the Earth's atmosphere.

HAARP's phased array antennas beam radio wave frequencies into the atmosphere. A radio wave is essentially an electromagnetic frequency, as is solar radiation. The scientists at the HAARP institute found that a 2.5 Hz radio frequency is the signature frequency of an earthquake. HAARP beams that earthquake frequency into the ionosphere and the ionosphere reflects it back to Earth - penetrating as deeply as several kilometers into the ground, depending on the geological makeup and subsurface water conditions in a targeted area.. By beaming the frequency at a specific trajectory HAARP can trigger an earthquake any place on Earth. A short burst isn't enough to disturb solid matter (the Earth crust) so they keep beaming the 2.5 Hz earthquake frequency for hours or days - until the desired effect is achieved.

HAARP was broadcasting the 2.5 Hz frequency from just before midnight on March 8, 2011 and continued to broadcast the frequency for the entire days of March 9, 2011 and March 10, 2011. The 2.5 Hz frequency continued to be broadcasted and recorded by the magnetometer for another 10 hours the day of the Japan 9.0 magnitude earthquake.

You will notice on the USGS website that the Japan earthquake didn't occur on the Ring of Fire Fault line. The epicenter was some 100 km west of the fault. The earthquake epicenter occurred on solid ground.

More here:
http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1624

[Ace Rimmer]

Disturbing.

[Moon]

I am not going to trust that site as to the cause of the earthquake being caused by HAARP. Japan is right on the area known as the Ring of Fire which is where much seismic activity is happening. Japan has had many earthquakes in the past so this is nothing really new to them.

Sometimes we have to look as these natural disasters for what they really are: The Earth doing what it has always done for billions of years.

[Ace Rimmer]

I agree the earth has been having massive earthquakes long before anybody even thought ot HAARP.

The news from Japan is more disturbing by the minute. This article doesn't address the issue of all the radiation that is truning up in their food supply, but that is bad too.

Japan says levels of radiation contamination in water inside part of the Fukushima nuclear power plant have increased sharply. Workers at the plant spent the day Sunday on improvements to the water pumping system that is keeping the reactors cool.

The level of radioactive Iodine-134 in water in the basement of a turbine building adjoining the plant's Number-2 reactor spiked to more than 10 million times that of normal conditions.

At that level it is a thousands times more radioactive than water found in the neighboring Number-1 and -3 reactor buildings. It was in the Number-3 building on Thursday that two workers sustained heavy radiation contamination after standing in water without wearing boots.

Government officials and plant operators say they are not sure where the radioactive contamination is coming from. But there is a possibility it is coming from the reactor core.

Levels of contamination are also rising in seawater around the plant.

Hidehiko Nishiyama is deputy director-general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

Mr. Nishiyama says Iodine-131 levels in seawater have been measured at 1,850 times the legal limit, up from 1,250 times the day before. He says the levels do not pose any immediate danger to human health.

Work at the plant continued on Sunday to improve the water-pumping system that is attempting to keep the reactor and spent fuel rods cool.

Fire trucks were due to be replaced by portable pumps and the water supply from seawater to fresh water. There is a worry that continued use of seawater could corrode pipes and valves and cause future problems.

The situation at the plant does appear to be stabilizing, although the government warns it will take a long time for things to be brought fully under control.

More than two weeks have passed since a massive earthquake and tsunami destroyed large portions of Japan's eastern coast. Japanese police say about 10,500 people are confirmed dead and 16,600 are missing
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Rad ... 32419.html

[Cammi2012]

speaking of HAARP- was Tesla murdered?

[Ace Rimmer]

We better stay on topic here. This is about Japan and the horrible mess going on there. We can speculate about the origins of the earthquake, but we should stay focused on Japan.