Unexplained object on bottom of Baltic Sea

[Serene]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/video-divers-large-unexplained-object-bottom-baltic-sea-161749619.html

This story was first reported last July or August. Why would CNN bring it back in the news now?

[Ace Rimmer]

It sure looks like something manmade, well not a natural formation. This is an exciting find. I hope they get back down there soon and get some answers. Maybe since our country is not involved we will actually hear about what they do find it to be.

[Jimmy7070]

Did you notice the skid mark that craft made? It looked to be quite long and that the craft is quite heavy digging up lots of mud along the way. I hope that we will get some more info on what this is too. They kept saying there was a smaller craft on top of the big one and I was wondering maybe it was an escape capsul and it never got away either. Hope that some other info will be coming in on this, and also why the big delay in getting the news out to us and on CNN.

[Ace Rimmer]

Yeah I did notice that. I hope they get to it soon.

[forgottentales]

Or maybe it's a huge meteor that hit the earth millions of years ago.

[Moon]

This is an old story and it has not been updated. I also wonder why CNN is bringing it up if they have no new information.

I do hope some divers or a deep sea submarine takes a closer look.

[yerock III stoneman]

Let's see, why would CNN bring up an old story without new information? ... Hmmm...
... Slow news day?
... Peace.

[forgottentales]

Let's see, why would CNN bring up an old story without new information? ... Hmmm...
... Slow news day?
... Peace.

Slow day or trying to help build interest from investors in the project?

[Ace Rimmer]

My understand of the article, from the last paragraph. Yes there is renewed interest in the project.

The Ocean Explorer team first made their find back in August and had no plans to return to the scene. For now, Lindberg is waiting for calmer waters in the Baltic, possibly in May, before taking his salvage team to the bottom for a closer look at the mysterious objects. They originally had no plans to return to the spot, but the spike in interest from the public has led them to begin planning a return trip.

[Moon]

I hope they do return to the spot and check it out. It does cost money to dive, so they may have had a lack of funds to do so in the beginning.

[Ace Rimmer]

Too bad some billionaire isn't interested in some of these things.

[Saxoneer]

If this does turn out to be extraterrestrial in nature, then perhaps walls will finaly begin to crumple!

[Moon]

Lloyd Pye also had an article about this in his email:

Another subject of great interest this week has been the alleged finding of a UFO under the Baltic Sea by a Swedish salvage team of underwater explorers. This is above my pay grade, as the saying now goes, but if true, obviously, it is as historic, in its own way, as the recovery of the Starchild's genome will be, so we must pay attention to it. Personally, I think much needs to be done to verify it, but it is certainly worth all of the attention that is being paid to it at this point. I hope they are able to get down there to confirm it, one way or the other, very soon, because if they can confirm it, it would boost the Starchild case tremendously.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16293

This is the famed tether object from NASA in space:


And this is an image of the object under the sea:


It does look like the Millenium Falcon.

[Foxlike Mulder]

If this is the real thing, I'm sure the US Military has already been there and cleaned it up. There is clearly an agenda to keep this stuff hidden, and as such, anything this big with this much time to work out the details would not be exposed easily. Unless, they wanted it to...

By the way, anyone read the Michael Critchon book "Sphere"? There was also a (not so good) movie based on the book with Dustin Hoffman. There are a couple similarities.

[Moon]

I read the book Sphere but did not see the movie based on it.

With all the new interest in this, I wonder if the military is letting this one become the disclosure project they want? It seems odd so many are taking an interest in this older story now. The site the article is on is not a fringe one either.

[Foxlike Mulder]

With all the new interest in this, I wonder if the military is letting this one become the disclosure project they want? It seems odd so many are taking an interest in this older story now. The site the article is on is not a fringe one either.

No, it's certainly mainstream now. I definitely think the military would be in there if this was a serious sighting...I mean, look at past events (Roswell, Kecksburg etc.)...if this gets any traction, I do think this may be on a bigger stage for a reason.

[Moon]

I also think if this actually pans out it is being done for a reason. I think they might be ready to finally disclose to us what they have in the way of things extraterrestrial.

Either that, or it really is an old ship which is leaving a very strange pattern.

It is also possible the military came and went during the time this story was quiet. It does not take long for them to clean up.

The main thing is costs, and it would be in the millions to go down there and bring whatever it is up. If it is the real deal, they would make their money back. If not, it would be a big loss.

[Serene]

Please do not forget that this is in Europe and NOT on US territory. I don't think it would be as easy to cover things up as it would be here...

[Foxlike Mulder]

Please do not forget that this is in Europe and NOT on US territory. I don't think it would be as easy to cover things up as it would be here...

That's a very good point, but I'm still not sure it would stop the military/CIA in that situation. I believe it's a race between the Russians and the US to find what's there...and obviously the Russians are closer and they have a fairly strong submarine fleet. I'd be shocked if it was private industry which uncovered ET artifacts...something of this magnitude would be choreographed...I'm sure of it, especially with it now being known that "something" is there. The disclosure of ETs is a world changing event and it will not happen if the US government can help it. They have gone to great lengths to hide what's happened so far and I suspect this will continue to be the case until "they" want this to change or ETs land in some neutral territory to declare their arrival. Which begs the question, why don't they?

[Moon]

Please do not forget that this is in Europe and NOT on US territory. I don't think it would be as easy to cover things up as it would be here...

The US has the submarine technology to pull it off without anyone knowing about it. I am wondering if they may be purposely letting this be discovered for another unknown reason.

[Saxoneer]

I can't see any way either the US or Russians could operate in the Baltic without either side knowing, of course they and the Swedes could all be cooperating which wouldn't surprise me!

combined posts per forum rules-MM

Thought I'd add something else because this brought to mind the Ghost Rocket mystery.

Ghost Rockets were seen in the thousands over Sweden just after WWII in 1946. At first it was thought they were being launched by the Russians from captured German Rocket sites, but it was quickly realised that most of these sites were destroyed and the logistics and reality of Russians having the capability to launch multiple rockets, up to 300 on one day, was a none starter. They were sometimes described as having wings, sometimes without, but they all had one thing in common, they were able to fly around obstacles and perform manouvers normal rockets could not. Today we would call them cruise missiles, but remember this was 1946, terrain following technology wasn't perfected until the 1980s. Most of the rockets appeared to fall into lakes in northern Sweden, some witnesses said it 'it was as though they were being directed to fall there'. It got so bad that Sweden asked Britain for radars so they could track them.

So what were the Ghost Rockets?

No one really knows, high level thinking at the time was that they may be extraterrestrial in nature, but no one really knows...officially!

Of the thousands of rockets seen, none have ever been found...officially!

We may never know the truth behind the Ghost Rockets unless governments have a huge change in thinking, which brings us back to the object under the sea. If this does turn out to be extraterrestrial in nature then that may be the catalyst which opens a lot of secret doors!

[Foxlike Mulder]

This top secret document pertaining to those ghost rockets is on Wikipedia of all places...I have to say, I am more than surprised. The Air Force not only talks about how the UFO went into the crater in the lake, it talks about UFOs in general like this an accepted phenomenon.

I tried uploading the document, but I am blocked. Here is a URL below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1948_ ... cument.png

[Saxoneer]

Sorry MM, because no one had been on here for a while, the only way I could get it to show up as a new post was to add it seperately.

Thanks Foxlike, I never thought of looking on Wikipedia for documents I had to make it this big so it was readable.

[Moon]

What I usually do is copy my older post, delete it and then add it to the new information in a newer post so it gets noticed if no one has responded. We have had to crack down on double posting as it is one of the main rules.

Thank you for showing us the above document. It alone speaks volumes on the subject.

[Saxoneer]

Thanks MM, hadn't thought of doing it that way!

[Moon]

Thanks MM, hadn't thought of doing it that way!

I have done it when I get new informational emails from the Lloyd Pye Starchild project. Since I want to inform members here of the progress, I often have to delete an older post to put in a brand new post with the information. It moves to the top of the board so members can check the latest information.

I do like how that memo just openly states they do not know where those objects are coming from. If they were Soviet or from another Earthly source they would of stated it. While they don't prove extraterrestrial visitation, they do not rule it out either.

[Saxoneer]

There is a group in Sweden who this year will search one of the northern lakes, using underwater cameras, sidescan sonar etc, in the hope of finding evidence of the Ghost Rockets.

I think we can rule out the Russian involvement, they hadn't the expertise in 1946 to launch that many rockets, the Germans couldn't even launch that many in one day and then there is the problem of invading Swedish airspace, a neutral country. It was said the only thing people were seeing was meteors, but that doesn't stand up either as meteors don't perform the manouvers described by witnesses.

[Serene]

Why was this document declassified in 97? How do we know it's not a fake?

[forgottentales]

Why was this document declassified in 97? How do we know it's not a fake?

Because they automatically declassify certain documents that they feel are now harmless, after 50 yrs. Any document that gets the designation of classified, secret, top secret, etc., has to stay that way for at least 50yrs, then they determine if they can release it to the public or not.

[Saxoneer]

Why was this document declassified in 97? How do we know it's not a fake?

You bring up a good point Serene, however, Forgottentales is correct. Declassified documents are released after 50 years and this document came from Timothy Good, a well known UFO researcher. I'm sure he checked and double checked the authenticity before using it. That said, most declassified documents I have seen are usualy blacked out, in other words, they take out the parts they don't want you to read!

[Moon]

Why was this document declassified in 97? How do we know it's not a fake?

While the document is important to ufologists, it is not a smoking gun memo where they state evidence of us having any extraterrestrial articles. It does state the belief that some have the ghost rockets are not of this world.

The document looks real to me as I have dealt with classified information before.

[forgottentales]

Why was this document declassified in 97? How do we know it's not a fake?

You bring up a good point Serene, however, Forgottentales is correct. Declassified documents are released after 50 years and this document came from Timothy Good, a well known UFO researcher. I'm sure he checked and double checked the authenticity before using it. That said, most declassified documents I have seen are usualy blacked out, in other words, they take out the parts they don't want you to read!

Yes, very odd to find a declassified document without a black strike on it. That alone does raise red flags. Normally people's names are struck out because that info isn't really relevant to the public. If it is a real document then anyone can access it who knows where to look. I don't know where to look to prove it's a real declassified doc. Maybe someone else here does, though.

[Don Morace]

Hi Folks,Don here.Go to the Black Vault website,they may have it there.Don out..................................

[forgottentales]

Hi Folks,Don here.Go to the Black Vault website,they may have it there.Don out..................................

Donnnnnn, Must you go out? I'd rather see you stay lit.

[Moon]

Not all declassified documents have a black strike through them. The stamp This Page is Unclassified or Declassified is enough when the document has been released for the public.