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Lonewolf Howling wrote:If I'm not mistaking we are in Capricorn moving to the age of Aquarius.


Buzi-Blu wrote:Once we have one date fixed, 3113 BC was the beginning of Age 5 of the Mayan Earth Calendar and the start of Aries - could be the fix.
we can easily work backwards and forwards to calculate the dates but deciding that first date is not so clear. It seems the total time for the poles to precess is also uncertain but I'm happy with any estimate for a Zodiacal age from 2135 to 2160.
I've read of another rate of 1.36 degrees per 100 years
Would you agree that precession has 13 signs in its zodiac?
And the image below is the astrological zodiac used in horoscopes as passed down from greece and ultimately sumeria with their 12.
Is it just me or shouldn't the earth be where the sun is?
Consider this image:
Source: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/skytellers/constellations/about.shtml
We have 12 signs spreading in a complete circle and our task is to divide them into 12 equal segments. As you can see, we have some flexibility in placing a 12 pointed star shape over this. The Age we are in starts when the point marking the Vernal Equinox enters the next sign. This means when when the Sun on March 21st (or thereabouts) enters the sign. Since we obviously cannot see the stars in daylight, it's worth remembering that this also means that at midnight on that day we will have the sign that is directly opposite visible when looking due south.
If we concentrate on the boundary between Pisces and Aquarius, it is anything but clear where that exact spot should be and as I said earlier, every degree difference equals a 72 year difference. It is unclear, however that is how the mayan earth calendar comes in and counts the days in each zodiac be it
Incidentally, if you look at the dates for birthdays for Star signs you'll see that it is way out of line.
I don't quite get where the 1158 AD date for Aquarius comes from, seems much too early for me.
The 1158 AD is synchronized to 3113 BC/Aries and the 12 signs in astrology
Actually, there's a very useful free program you can use: StarCalc 5.72. This is a nice little program that lets you put in any date and location and see what the sky looks like. There is a feature where you can show the constellation boundary lines, and when I did this (keeping the Sun on the Celestial Equator) and moved it forward year by year it looks to me that the Sun enters Aquarius around 2090 AD. Note that the Sun is still in Pisces at this time because they overlap, but these are modern boundary lines.
there is no overlap when you can count the days
It's a great program for any astronomical work. Accurate and simple to use you can play around looking for the Star of Bethlehem or just what is visible from your home.
does the program use 12 or 13 constellations?



Buzi-Blu wrote:First, the diagram. It could be done with either the Earth or Sun at the centre. Look at the September position: from the Earth the Sun will be seen with Leo as the backdrop, and the night sky will have Aquarius to the south. The Earth at the centre would probably be more practical as then we could also determine that Taurus and Scorpio would be East and West (at around midnight). But the main reason I included it was to show that there is no clear dividing point between each sign.
What I inferred by saying there is no overlap when the days are counted - is that the sky is divided equally among the 12 or 13 constellations (depending on one's use). For instance if it takes 5 Mayan earth calendars for the 12 or 13 signs of the zodiacs to complete one wobble then:
1,872,000 days/earth calendar x 5 = 9,360,000 days per wobble = 25,626.82 years
using 12 signs = 780,000 days per sign = 2135.57 yrs/astrological sign
using 13 signs = 720,000 days per sign = 1971.29 yrs/astronomical sign
Whether the Zodiac has 12 or 13 signs depends on what you want to do with it I guess, it's all a bit arbitrary. The 1.36 degrees per 100 years is equal to 1 degree per 72 years.
converting that rate to years is actually 26,470.59 yrs. per wobble or 1 degree per 73.53 yrs
The 3113 BCE date seems more to do with the Mayan calendar than with the Zodiac. As you can see from this image the Sun at the Vernal Equinox was well inside Aries, rather than moving from Taurus as you might expect
Did you know that 3113 BC actually comes from the julian calendar being linked to the mayan earth calendar!
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StarCalc lets you plot and view objects in the sky, it's just a database. Ophiuchus is a constellation and so is included but how you use it in relation to the Zodiac is up to you. What it lets you do is precisely calculate times when certain events occur, such as the Sun crossing the boundary of two constellations.
Can you figure out what constellations would be at the east - west horizon at sunrise on June 21, 2012 at Copan? (the mayan astronomical centre)
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As you can see here, Pisces continues to run past Aquarius on its upper border which means that the Sun can still be in Pisces but have gone beyond the leftmost edge of Aquarius. My date of 2090 AD was when the Sun was directly in line with that leftmost edge.
It IMV that each constellation occupies and equal portion of time and it is the count of days that determines when they shift vs an arbitrary line drawn in the sky - a combination of both perhaps?


polaris wrote:If we were to look up in the night sky at the vernal equinox of 2013, what constellations would we see, both east and west, just at sunrise from Copan or Eridu (it's latitude dependent, right?)
Here's another question for StarCalc,
When was the last time (in BC years) was sidereal Aries in the vernal equinox when viewing from the Giza plateau?
When was Leo there?



phoenix wrote:Thanks for feedback Polaris. You could off course be right. It is off course impossible for me to prove that the seven heavens actually builds on an ancient myth about a description of an ancient spaceship. I will perhaps write another post on the subject later on to argue my points about that.
However. There are very much evidence in several ancient texts that indicates that it was the pre flood aliens that created the system of measuring time by watching the precession of the equinoxes. They did probably not want to share this knowledge with the humans, but thanks to the rebel of the watchers we got part of this knowledge anyway. I don’t know if you agree on that or not, but i find it hard to believe that the pre flood humans just by observing the galaxy with their own eyes could come up with such an advanced system by themselves.
For clarity, I am of the view there are at least five races of man on earth and we are discussing one of them, the Sumerian Race. I too agree that the pre-flood Sumerians could not come up with the earth's precession.
How could they possibly find out that the earth wobbles and is tilted and that this could be used to make out a galactic calendar? I also find it hard to believe that the aliens created the system while they stayed here on earth.
Call me anal! They taught all five races how to track time from earth's perspective - the Mayans have the best record of how it was taught. A count of 360 days to be exact. They also taught to track our 365.2424 day rotation via the equinox - vital for agricultural purposes.
Even though you don’t believe in the seven heaven/spaceship connection, there are a lot of ancient texts that describes different aliens flying objects that had images on it like a man/ox/eagle/lion. This strongly suggests that the aliens knew about this system already before they arrived here, because they didn’t make their spaceships here on earth. I believe that they have spaceships, big ones and small ones...they like us, put images on our aircraft - they were known (through ancient text) to fight amongst themselves, so identifying markings were used (man/ox/eagle/lion etc).
It is correct that Enoch also writes about a tour he was given by the aliens while he was aboard one of their flying objects . This tour is described in the first book of Enoch. This tour however seems to me to be a roundtrip around the world , or in the region. It does not indicate that he actually was brought into space. Here are for instance one of his description from this tour, where he mentions the Sphinx in Egypt. Notice that he refer to it as the angel of Zotiel. An ancient name for Sirius.
I'll take your word for it regarding the translations of the ancient names - and we agree Enoch was taken for a ride.
Also notice the fact that he is referring to the Sphinx as an Angel. That means it was probably not built by human beings.Definitely agree with you on that point! Human labour likely had to be involved - it IMV that that labour was paid vs slave!
“And thence I went over the summits of ⌈all⌉ these mountains, far towards the east ⌈of the earth⌉, and passed above the Erythraean sea and went far from it, and passed over ⌈⌈the angel⌉⌉ Zotîêl.”
As I said above. I will probably come back and post an article about the myths about the seven heavens later on, but how would you explain that enoch saw armed soldiers playing live music in the fourth heaven? (This is taken from the second book of Enoch).
“In the midst of the heavens I saw armed soldiers, serving the Lord, with tympana and organs, with incessant voice, with sweet voice, with sweet and incessant voice and various singing, which it is impossible to describe, and which astonishes every mind, so wonderful and marvellous is the singing of those angels, and I was delighted listening to it.”
I re-read the 'cliff notes' of 2 Enoch (wiki), Enoch was shown how things are controlled by these people, again primarily of the Sumerian race... other things were going on elsewhere with the other four races... He was shown and given planetary-scale knowledge, he was then returned to earth with the task to teach/pass on this information in such a way as to keep the Sumerian Race from imploding or reverting back to a savage state, thus digressing into obscurity...
And lastly. Do you or any other have any suggestions when the earth actually start to wobble or got its tilt. Does anuone have any ideas about this. My logic is in the previous post, it's likely related to the how much the tidal forces slow earth's spin. Another theory has catacalysmic changes to the planetary tilt caused by the periodic introduction of planet-sized gravity...(e.g. Nibiru orbiting through its perihelion)
Was it a result of something that happened during the great flood or has it always been like that? This is crucial information, because if it happened during the time of the flood, this means that the precession versus the wobble theory was not what the aliens based their system on, because the system is a lot older than that. IMV there was more than one flood. In short, there was a planetary flood/tsunami that began to open up vast tracks of habitable/arable land north and south of the tropics, it began when the North America ice sheets were descimated...causing a chain of events that we are only now trying to comprehend. There was another regional flood in the Persian Gulf aka Noah's Flood/tsunami (according to the Greek scribe Berossus - the flood was 120 shar after a Nibiru perihelion) my date is ~6169 BC
Regarding Walter Cruttenden. I don't know whether he is right or wrong, but he nevertheless has brought up an interesting theory . Don't you think? Indeed it has its merits. In my eyes, this theory of his fits with my views. Interplanetary seems more plausible, imv. I think i will go out an buy this book to read more. I hope you will buy mine if I can get it written and published![]()
Regards
Phoenix



polaris wrote:That's obfuscation? Regardless of cause, the effect is present.
The rate is measured around 25,626 earth years per wobble or more accurately 9,360,000 earth days and is one of the longer counts...
It seems that if we, in our ancient (mythic) past knew of the zodiac, we were also taught precession - by my count that's three of five human races on this earth knew the zodiac (12), another used a zodiac of 13.

Buzi-Blu wrote:polaris wrote:That's obfuscation? Regardless of cause, the effect is present.
The rate is measured around 25,626 earth years per wobble or more accurately 9,360,000 earth days and is one of the longer counts...
It seems that if we, in our ancient (mythic) past knew of the zodiac, we were also taught precession - by my count that's three of five human races on this earth knew the zodiac (12), another used a zodiac of 13.
What is? There is no precise value for a precessional year at present.
polaris wrote:If Ptolemy figured out an arc of precession with a time gap of about 169 years between himself and Hipparchus, why is it that in the intervening (2012 - 168) = 1844 years (since his death) that we cannot have it nailed to the 7th decimal point?

Buzi-Blu wrote:polaris wrote:If Ptolemy figured out an arc of precession with a time gap of about 169 years between himself and Hipparchus, why is it that in the intervening (2012 - 168) = 1844 years (since his death) that we cannot have it nailed to the 7th decimal point?
There are many misconceptions being repeated, and I too had fallen for them until you began this thread. I remember on various occasions being told of the 26 000 year cycle (even at post-graduate level), but after looking a bit more deeply I find it is not precisely known at all. The problem is that precession is not constant and depends on various constantly changing factors. I think it's been solved. Precession is 9,360,000 days. Break it down into 13 or 12 depending on your predilection. A couple more factors make it not so easy for precession to change are, the heavier the object - the greater the force required to affect it and an object in motion tends to stay in that motion (until affected by another force). Have you known of rate changes?
A spinning top precesses at a steady rate, but the Earth does not. At the Equinoxes the Sun has no affect, but at the Solstices it is at maximum. For the Moon's effect it's the same but on a monthly cycle - 2 maximums and 2 minimums, with the result that the Earth will move in a periodic way, very different to a spinning top. Equilibrium of those factors were balanced long ago, besides you're referring to miniscule annual perturbations - different scale...
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