truthseeker wrote:hmmm...i thought he was born outside the US?
truthseeker wrote:4, i know for a fact he is corrupt and is nothing more than a puppet for the new world order, that just has trouble written all over it.
truthseeker wrote:from what i've seen of US politicians theres only 2 possibly 3 professional politicians i would trust, Ron Paul and Dennis kucinich are definites. ...i just wish we had a Ron paul or Dennis kucinich over here in england
Giorgio Tsoukalos wrote:truthseeker wrote:from what i've seen of US politicians theres only 2 possibly 3 professional politicians i would trust, Ron Paul and Dennis kucinich are definites. ...i just wish we had a Ron paul or Dennis kucinich over here in england
YES, my first choice, hands down, no question. A true, REAL patriot.
My very distant second choice, mainly because I simply cannot agree with someone who is a medical doctor by profession, who is AGAINST (!) universal healthcare. An MD simply cannot be against universal healthcare. Being against universal healthcare as an MD is in glaring contradiction of the Hippocratic Oath you must swear before you "become" a doctor.
Other than that, Ron Paul has some very interesting ideas and proposals.
So did Kucinich. For example, Kucinich is also for abolishing the IRS and establishing a flat tax for everyone. Regardless if someone makes $10,000 per year or $10,000,000 per year, you'll have to pay, I think, an 18% flat tax (or some number like that). It would be the same percentage for everyone, across the board. Talk about fair!
Kucinich even recently admitted to having seen a UFO - hours later, he was LAMBASTED by the media about it. Lambasted and ridiculed.
Xanthur wrote:He [McCain] also disagrees strongly with the Bush policies and could even start rolling them back.
Xanthur wrote:If Obama were elected, he would have a blank check to screw this country up royal with little opposition from Congress. Things may not look great right now, but they can get MUCH worse...
Xanthur wrote:As for McCain's vp pick, she is competent and a woman. It is time we saw what a strong woman can do in this country. Obama shoulda picked Clinton, or at least his wife, she's no slouch. Instead he picked an old white dumb guy? Can't wait to hear the debate.
Biden stated in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a threat to national security, and that there was no option but to eliminate that threat. The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts. In October 2002, Biden voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, justifying the Iraq War. He has long supported the appropriations to pay for the occupation, but has argued repeatedly that the war should be internationalized, that more soldiers are needed, and that the Bush administration should "level with the American people" about the cost and length of the conflict.
"one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors"
truthseeker wrote:this is why obama should be dismissed as someone who offers change:
obama does not offer change as evidenced by the people he is surrounded by.
Giorgio Tsoukalos wrote:Obama ain't no friggin' Neocon. The Neocons - btw, Webster Griffin Tarpley is one of them... - WANT you to believe that Obama is worse than McCain. And all you do is play into their hands... by regurgitating plain untruths before checking, I mean REALLY checking up on facts. And respectfully, watching countless YouTube clips and reading right-wing leaning "articles" found on the web ain't no fact checking.
truthseeker wrote:if i am wrong i will write those words down and eat the paper...you have my word on it
Giorgio Tsoukalos wrote:truthseeker wrote:if i am wrong i will write those words down and eat the paper...you have my word on it
Like I said elsewhere: You're on brother! (spoken in my best Hulk Hogan impression)
wildbill wrote:I'm not big on getting into political debates on forums, because inevitably you will get the people on both sides who refuse to talk objectively blah blah blah blah...although, I will admit, this discussion has remained fairly civil. I'm impressed. :)
I think Obama is a closet socialist and McCain is a Democrat in Republican clothing (not too mention a dumbass). My candidate of choice was Fred Thompson. I put my money where my mouth is by giving him the max contribution of $2,300. But, living in Oklahoma, I was depressed to learn that I was not only not able to vote for a 3rd party candidate, like Bob Barr (who I supported after Fred), but I couldn't even write in a candidate!! I came from Missouri, which allowed all of those things. So, I opted not to vote. Oklahoma almost always votes Republican anyways, so I didn't care. This is the first time since I turned 18 I purposefully chose not to vote.
I'm hoping that come 2012 there are actually decent candidates to vote for. But, I suspect that won't happen. :(
One thing I would like to see implemented, but alas would never happen, is term limits for US Congressmen. 12 years or 2 terms for Senators. 12 or 6 terms for Representatives. If you can't get done what you want to get done in 12 years, then it is time for you to move on and get some new blood in there. That will eliminate a lot of these power bases with senators like Dodd, Frank, McCain, Biden before becoming VP, countless others on both sides, and allow fresh ideas to come in. But, since it would require Congress to actually pass this law, we all know that won't happen. :(
Anyways, I'm done standing on my soapbox now. :D
Wild Bill :blues:
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