Woodcuts & Paintings of Possible UFOs.

[Bob137]

I am an artist, and I just do not believe the artist would paint something other than what he seen, and just the way he seen it, which is a satellite! It may have been a vision, or possibly from his own research of early biblical texts of which he found were stories of ufo's, and when he seen one, he put into the picture, as I would have. Which is the same of many other pictures painted with ufo's int he middle ages!

[tony_latino]

Just wanted to correct something real quick folks. In 1600, the earth was generally considered to be round. Magellan's circumnavigation expedition occured in 1522 - proving without a doubt the earth was round. When Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492, the worldview of of a flat earth was begining to die down anyway and the acceptance of a round earth was becoming very popular.

As for the painting. It is truly an unresolved artifact in my opinion. The globe looks like it has metal plates welded on it. The antenae are telescopic like metaluna says. It does not look like the earth at all, and whoever says that is the moon is high as a kite.

[Bob137]

From the painting it looks to me as though the Christian and Judaist God and Jesus are ALIENS! Oh No, Mr. Bill. Not again! Aliens Gods, and hybrids, artificial inseminations, what has this world come to? Could it be Satan Made him do it? Or is it memorex? It looks like a satellite to me, and aliens keeping an eye on humans on earth! Better be good, better not pout, or.......

[AnuAtlantian]

This has two good points of what it is, yes in this time we can see it as a satelite with ant, plus camlens, but as pointed out before it also is jesus and god with wands over the earth with sun and cresent moon reflecting. You can closely see an outline of the continents on the sides. Holding the wands in such simetry does make it look like they are attached to the globe. It is a globe. but can a hidden future image, a message be from the artist?

[Talen143]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufoar ... rteufo.htm

I found this website in searching for ancient art. I find it interesting and always like to read both "sides" to form my own opinion.

He goes into a pretty in-depth description of the Glorification of the Eucharist painting.
here is his conclusion on this painting:

"Conclusions

The sphere between the figures of the Holy Trinity in the "Esaltation of the Eucaristy" by Bonaventura Salimbeni, is not an UFO. That object, painted in many Trinity representations, is a symbol of the "Creation Globe", and in this particular painting contains the illustration of the Sun and the Moon."

what do you all think about his "explanations?"

[Bob137]

I think it is more of an excuse to dismiss the satellite theory, than an explanation. An explanation would actually describe exactly what the globe is a depiction of including the square areas, the antenea, and each area of the so called globe, and surroundings, etc.. not just an overall statement. In Art History you actually take each part of a painting and explore the areas, and describe what it is that is being interpreted, not just an overall compilation of what one sees, until after one has described each part, then you come up with a conclusion. Similar in doing a draft of a speech, where you do an outline, put in an introduction, the body, summarize, and then a conclusion. Not just a summary and a conclusion. Such as , "Why would GOD need a wand to do anything?" Why would the globe be painted as a metallic looking object? Why would the so called wands be telescopic? If GOD is a spirit, why does GOD need to sit at all upon anything?
So many questions, so little time!

[Ace Rimmer]

I think his explaination is ridicules.


Antenna and metal plates joined together to form a sphere.

[Talen143]

I just copied and pasted a little part of his "explanation" but yeah you get the idea.

I don't think it's a globe either. I've never seen a globe with antennas!

[Moon]

Since none of us were alive at the time the painting was done, it is hard to tell what was going on in the mind of the artist.

There will be those who will explain many of these paintings away, but they are very interesting to look at and see the context the alleged flying object is painted.

But as they say: Everyone is an art critic!

[Ace Rimmer]

Oh yeah, I think we all see what we want to see. The same with many other aspects of life.

[Moon]

Oh yeah, I think we all see what we want to see. The same with many other aspects of life.

Another way to look at it was the paintings were their ways of taking pictures of what they saw. That globe looks like a satellite to me, and I would love to investigate if the Catholic Church has a storage archive area that might have such an object in it.

They did announce it is OK to talk about aliens recently. Makes one think...

[Hearte]

Your own quote tells you what it is:

Although this has been refuted as nothing more than a creation globe there are a few points worth noting that challenge this rather high-handed dismissal.

Ever heard of the "celestial spheres?"

Who did you think would be sitting on the other side of them?

The device clearly has telescopic A - antenna, what appears to be a B - camera (or lens) as well as a C - spotlight.

A - Manipulation devices used to maneuver the goings-on inside the universe, B - obvious Moon and C - obvious Sun. Inside the sphere of the universe (you know, the outer sphere, not the ones the planets and stars were thought to be affixed to at the time.)

Harte

[Ace Rimmer]

Oh yeah, I think we all see what we want to see. The same with many other aspects of life.

Another way to look at it was the paintings were their ways of taking pictures of what they saw. That globe looks like a satellite to me, and I would love to investigate if the Catholic Church has a storage archive area that might have such an object in it.

They did announce it is OK to talk about aliens recently. Makes one think...

Looks like a Sputnik.

Oh who wouldn't like to have a peak at the Vatican Library.

[Moon]

Why would God need a manipulation device to control the Universe?

(Just like the question: "What does God need with a starship?")

[Ace Rimmer]

Why would God need a manipulation device to control the Universe?

(Just like the question: "What does God need with a starship?")

Exactly!

[Sagittarii]

I feel it's showing GOD and Jesus controlling what happens on Earth.

Someone who lived 1600 years after Jesus died would have about the same knowledge on the subject as we do these days.

If you look at something long enough you'll start believing your own imagination.

If I look at a cloud long enough it becomes a turtle or some other creature.

[Hearte]

Why would God need a manipulation device to control the Universe?

Dude, it's not a photograph.
If you're gonna show God manipulating events inside the celestial spheres (from the outside,) you're gonna have to show him using something.

A painting of God staring at the sphere (using His mind powers to control things) just doesn't get the idea across.

Harte

[Moon]

How about just waiving his hands toward the Earth or open handed like the priests do when celebrating mass?

Having a utensil in the hand looks almost occult like, and we know how the Church felt about that!

While it is true many will see one thing and others will see another, we do know the Church right now is doing press releases about alien visitation. I think that makes these paintings a bit more valid when wondering if the Church might have collected a few alien probes.

Again, this is a hypothesis that does need to be looked at.

[Hearte]

How about just waiving his hands toward the Earth or open handed like the priests do when celebrating mass?

Everyone's a critic! LOL

Isn't it the artist's decision how to depict such a thing?

Having a utensil in the hand looks almost occult like, and we know how the Church felt about that!

While it is true many will see one thing and others will see another, we do know the Church right now is doing press releases about alien visitation.

Please link to a (legitimate) church press release about alien visitation.

From what I've seen, the Vatican has only talked about the possibility of life elsewhere, not about visitation.

Possibly some stuff about intelligent life elsewhere.

I think that makes these paintings a bit more valid when wondering if the Church might have collected a few alien probes.

The Pope didn't paint that.

Hearte

[DivineQueer]

Another way to look at it was the paintings were their ways of taking pictures of what they saw. That globe looks like a satellite to me, and I would love to investigate if the Catholic Church has a storage archive area that might have such an object in it.

They did announce it is OK to talk about aliens recently. Makes one think...

Very true. Although, the statements that this indeed is the Creation Globe, is very likely correct, for if one looks at it closely it really do look like the Earth-globe with the Sun and the Moon added to it.

However, the similarity to a Satelite is yet indeed very strong, and if playing with the possibility of it actually being one, it could very well be a depiction of one of the "seven Eyes of God", that is described in The Bible. Providing, ofcourse, that the artist had seen one.

It is said about those "Eyes" that God used them to know what took place down on Earth, and that "the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole Earth", to watch, listen and study every living thing.
If actually taking this description literaly, then it is clearly satellites it is talking about.


Always fun to speculate, even if the entertained ideas are wrong.

[Moon]

The press release about alien life elsewhere is still important none the less. (Sorry about using the word visitations.) And I did not state the Pope painted the picture, but it is possible the painter may have had access to the Church vaults where they store treasures and other artifacts from all over the world. Is it possible that one of those articles could of been an alien probe that crash landed? Of course. Does that mean it was? No, but it is fun to speculate it is possible.

Link to what was stated by the Vatican:

http://www.universetoday.com/44713/vati ... rial-life/

[Path of Least Resistance]

These paintings and other artwork do have me wondering something now:

Does the Vatican have any alien artifacts (probes, etc) hidden away in their vaults?

A: Does the Pope wear a funny hat?

i remember in one of the Earth Chornicles books there is described a globe, representing the earth, that is lit up with various displays etc located in the heart of the Sinai spaceport. it was basically a "crystal ball" of earth s activities with probably with orbital and electromagentic field info as well as other pertinent info to ruling the world.

it also reminds of the part in the bible where they talk about Who stretched the chord upon the earth, who instituted measurements. the Sumerians were aware of all the constellations even though they are not all visible from their location on earth.

remind anyone else of Sputnik ??

[Ace Rimmer]

These paintings and other artwork do have me wondering something now:

Does the Vatican have any alien artifacts (probes, etc) hidden away in their vaults?

A: Does the Pope wear a funny hat?

i remember in one of the Earth Chornicles books there is described a globe, representing the earth, that is lit up with various displays etc located in the heart of the Sinai spaceport. it was basically a "crystal ball" of earth s activities with probably with orbital and electromagentic field info as well as other pertinent info to ruling the world.

it also reminds of the part in the bible where they talk about Who stretched the chord upon the earth, who instituted measurements. the Sumerians were aware of all the constellations even though they are not all visible from their location on earth.

remind anyone else of Sputnik ??

Well me of course. No doubt in my mind.

[Hearte]

the Sumerians were aware of all the constellations even though they are not all visible from their location on earth.

Not that I expect to get it, but I would certainly like to see evidence that would support the above statement.

Hearte

[angeloneastralseed]

Maybe they are just 'tuning in', you know, adjusting the antennas.

[Ace Rimmer]

Maybe they are just 'tuning in', you know, adjusting the antennas.

Yea channel 4 is just not coming is well at all.

[Hearte]

Can't be.

I mean, where's the piece of aluminum foil you're supposed to use for tuning?

[Ace Rimmer]

Can't be.

I mean, where's the piece of aluminum foil you're supposed to use for tuning?

Oh I made a hat out of it!

[Moon]

If an alien space probe crashed at Kecksburg PA, it is quite possible one crashed in Medieval Europe and was picked up by the Catholic Church.

[Foxlike Mulder]

I would have liked to research this some more, but here is some interesting information I have found with regard to Hieronymous Bosch (the artist behind the Garden of the Earthly Delights, a painting with some similar imagery to the Eucharist painting, i.e., the globe). There is a book writen by a woman named Linda Harris who has found a great deal of evidence tying Bosch to a group of Cathars or Manichaeists (a very secret group of Gnostic followers) in the late 1400s. She poses the idea that many if not all of Bosch's work had double meanings which often poked (high brow) fun at main stream thought (religion). This makes a lot of sense considering his work is truly paradoxical in a time of great conservatism with harsh penalties of persecution for conflicting viewpoints. I have copied some of the meaningful URLs, but there are others I can't go back and find at the moment. Some of the key points are: Gnostic beliefs can be found in ancient Greece (Greek word Gnosis means "knowledge"); Manichaeism was another ancient movement with a foundation of Gnostic beliefs. Some of the Gnostic writings were found in ancient Egypt. Manichaeism was aggressively stomped out by the Catholic Church in the 15th century, yet many believe the Rosicrucian movement was born out of Manichaesism in the 15th/16th centuries. And of course there are the ties to the Freemasons from the Rosicrucians. Here is my belief: the artists of the time, including Bosch, were closely tied to the great minds of the period, including da Vinci (Bosch was supposedly with da Vinci for a 3 week period in the early 1500s). These great minds were somehow privvy to the world's mysteries, and therefore had a different (and dangerous) view from the Catholic Church (who ruled the world). Out of those times and from those artists and scientists, are important messages we're trying to decipher today (and maybe some like the Masons already have).

One other interesting find that I have not had a lot of time to dive into: a book tying some of the gnostic beliefs to an "alien" God. This is authored by a German professor (Hans Jonas, now dead) who left Germany at the beginning of WWII.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17043821/Hans ... c-Religion

http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/gar/gar62.htm

http://www.religious-information.com/ma ... igion.html

http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.hie ... h.pref.htm

http://www.boschwebsite.com/Interpretation_Harris.html

[Sextus70]

I've always think that these pieces of art are a very convincing evidence that the technology that we are developing today is not something that we recently discovered and making true, in the past there are many strange descriptions and even illustrations of things that were totally off of place for their era.

This "Glorification of the Eucharist" painting is a perfect example of that. One has to be very stubborn and hard headed to say that there's nothing weird inside it, for me this orthodox explanation:

"The sphere between the figures of the Holy Trinity in the "Esaltation of the Eucaristy" by Bonaventura Salimbeni, is not an UFO. That object, painted in many Trinity representations, is a symbol of the "Creation Globe", and in this particular painting contains the illustration of the Sun and the Moon."

Is simply ridiculous! Why the heck the "Creation Globe" has antennas and a metallic aspect? And how an XVI century artist could know of these type of objects in an era where they were unimaginable? Don't tell me that it's imagination because even the most ingenious person in those times could never think things like this.

And there's a lot of other paintings that were posted here that have other strange objects inside them that are really hard to explain and relate to things of their time, for me this is one the best evidences of contact with non-human advanced intelligences in the past.

[Ace Rimmer]

Yes indeedy Sextus, that's what I see, evidence of things that were being seen at the time.

[mahalla2]

Wow - good thing I had a glass of wine before reading this thread - What a totally wide array of ideas about this subject! I agree with Bob that one who studies art history will see all kinds of fascinating and out of place works of art dealing with UFO type images, etc. (especially in medieval art) Most of the artists, as you probably know, were privy to much of the private/secrative knowledge of the kings (or priestly forces of the realm - mostly pagan if the truth were known) who contracted to have these works painted but the artist perhaps did not really know the exact meaning behind this significant endeavor. So perhaps this is some type of alien tracking device (a satellite to see us not them) that enables them (alien star people, whatever) to create (reproduce) their DNA (or whatever it is called) amongst human beings here on Earth. However, it's really all about the pen-- you know, alien or not - again, just my thoughts.

[Bob137]

When you consider that there is so many paintings that show's that the artists, (have seen or heard of or were privy to), something not of this world, such as the implication of the painting of the Virgin Mary and two angels/aliens, with a UFO above shining a beam of light, or a ray into the place where the virgin Mary is, and it is directed right at her! To me that one is proof of knowledge of extraterrestrial intervention by the painter! He had to of had some knowledge of this to have painted such a scene! Even if say he imagined it, where did he get that kinda thinking from in the first place? I have a very good imagination, but it is still within the no-corporate-stores-here! of what I know, see, hear, read, and learn from childhood on, not just out of my head from nothing, and no reference point.

[ThePhiGuy]

That's a very spooky picture of antennas coming out of the earth. I suspect the only place the ancients would have seen antennas that looked like that was on Vimanas; our present-day UFOs.

But the concept of antennas coming out of the earth was really not all that unusual in antiquity. In ancient Egypt the djed pillars were thought of like antennas which would broadcast the "magic" or energy or frequency (whatever) that the ancients believed ran down the "dragon lines" or ley lines from their gods.

It's very probable that the ancient Aryans of India called their ley lines "Indra's net." Francis Harold Cook described the metaphor of Indra's net from the perspective of the Huayan school in the book Hua-Yen Buddhism: The Jewel Net of Indra:

“Far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra, there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificer in such a manner that it stretches out infinitely in all directions. In accordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificer has hung a single glittering jewel in each "eye" of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number. There hang the jewels, glittering like stars in the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspection and look closely at it, we will discover that in its polished surface there are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflecting process occurring.

Even the stone pillars or "Shiva lingams" which were thought to represent the phallus of Shiva, were thought to transmit messages and visions from the primordial moon god.

The jewel encrusted 'Omphallos' stones that the ancients placed in oracle temples were also thought to act sort of like antennas which would broadcast messages that could be heard or seen by the seers and psychics of their day. Even the word 'omphallos' is probably derived from the 'phallus', which was seen as god's "antenna"

Just about all ancient cultures put up standing stones or pillars of some kind that were thought to act like antennas because the ancients believed they were capable of broadcasting messages or visions and those stones were always placed on the ley lines. Call them the leys, or the grid, or the dragon lines or Indra's net, people put stone "antennas" up on them and also marked the leys with ziggurats, pyramids and temples which were thought to "amplify" the messages coming from the gods.

And stone antennas weren't just put up in antiquity either. The freemasons inherited some of the beliefs of the ancients and they put up plenty of stone antennas in the New World.

The famous "Cleopatra's needle" that stands in New York City's Central park is a stone antenna that marks the Baalbek leyline. Baal's leyline actually runs straight through the heart of Wall Street, and then heads southwest down into Washington DC where the Washington Monument serves as the "antenna" that marks Baal's leyline running through our nation's capital. The masons probably thought they were helping to broadcast Baal's message to our leaders.

Do you think maybe it's working and that's what is responsible for the crap coming out of Washington DC?
In reality, the ancients planted "antennas" all over the earth.






For more info on the Baalbek leyline go here:

http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/afterword.html