Age of The Great Pyramid ....Precisly

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby mahalla2 » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:36 pm

Bob137 wrote:Obviously to me the pyramids and numerous other sites around the globe, have been dated according to the Darwinian point of view, and the religious point of view, but not done with an open mind of when they actually were built, and by who!


yes, it seems the professional mainstream point of view has often led us to a brick wall with the truth being clouded in untruths and greed :mrgreen: corruption and control are probably at the core of the problem (ancient to present times). This is how information is lost and sometimes lost forever but thankfully there are still a few courageous people who are not content with being mindlessly fed from this gigantic troth of misinformation and who will diligently research these things on their own in order to gain a better insight into the hidden truth.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:22 pm

The one thing I keep on forgetting about mentioning here is the one that should have a major baring on this discussion:

The pyramids had coverings on them that made them glow white. The material that the coverings were made of were removed and used to build the city of Cairo and others. If there was some way to check on the erosion of those materials, we might be able to show water and rain damage like the Sphinx does.

It would be almost impossible to analyze the materials now as they have been used in a different way and the outer part could of been sanded down.

I need to check on my books to find out what the material they used was, but I have read about it and right now my books are in boxes (as plans are to get some shelving put up).

If the pyramids were covered with materials, then they would of been protected by the rains that happened 10,000 or so years ago. This would explain why the pyramids do not have the water erosion like the Sphinx does.

This is another reason why the debate should go on that the pyramids really are over 10,000 years old and Khufu did not build them but took credit for them. It is not uncommon for kings, emperors and pharaohs to take credit for others' hard work.

How is this for bringing up a point that furthers the discussions?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby seeker1117 » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:27 pm

maxmercury wrote:The one thing I keep on forgetting about mentioning here is the one that should have a major baring on this discussion:

The pyramids had coverings on them that made them glow white. ...

How is this for bringing up a point that furthers the discussions?


Works for me! I remember reading somewhere there was also supposed to be a "capstone" of quartz crystal...are there any theories about what might have happened to it?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby mahalla2 » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:01 pm

maxmercury wrote:This is another reason why the debate should go on that the pyramids really are over 10,000 years old and Khufu did not build them but took credit for them. It is not uncommon for kings, emperors and pharaohs to take credit for others' hard work. How is this for bringing up a point that furthers the discussions?


yes, I agree Max - and perhaps the shiny coating on the pyramids was a result of highly polishing the white limestone blocks that were originally used. It seems to me the white shiny blocks might also have absorbed sunlight during the day and served as a source of solar light/illumination at night time - just a thought :)
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:02 pm

I also agree with yu Max on the casing stones, that were used to build Cairo, even if one has been used inside another building,a nd not weathered from anything other than inside air, it could be tested for erosion, but finding an actual one like that, and not someone bringing up a hoax, would be very hard to find. The capstone was also taken, where I do not know, but that would definitely be a great find if it is untouched.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Randyrrr » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:57 am

I would like to see the granite uncovered and see if there is any type of inscriptions.
The egyptians hijacked the pyramids.
There is an open Pit that was suppose to be a pyramid also.
What if it was to house the flying craft. Enoch was suppose to build a house for the craft.
The open pyramid also has very large stones. Weather they are granite I dont know. It was to be a open building so it could land in it.
If I remember right one of the AA episodes talked about the building that was to be built, to house the craft.
Maybe all the leaders Had an ambasador that stayed at each civilization.
The king of Sumarians also had a craft if I remember right. This is where the flying carpets come from probably.
Then there is the Stone in which depicts the Myan leader in a craft. I really think they all were conected in some way.
If I get the time I will post the stories from Sumeria, and the Myans also Enoch's job to build the buildings for knowledge and the craft.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:04 pm

The question should be brought to the mainstream Egyptologists attention on the casing stones and erosion. They have never brought this up as far as I know, and it is something that needs to be looked at.

Unfortunately, the finding of any intact pieces is highly unlikely.

The crystal capstone would of been a treasure for someone, so it is also probably gone for good unless they find it intact at a king's palace.

It must of been a magnificent sight to see the pyramids glowing white in the sunlight.

I am glad I brought this to our attention.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:13 pm

There is a relatively small piece of a casing stone from the GP at the British Museum in London. It was found in rubble after an earthquake had loosened the stones, and taken during the middle ages. Apparently the casing stones are made of limestone. There's a picture of it on Wikipedia, where the source of this info comes from.

Also according to Wiki, there are still pieces of the lower casing stones strewn about the ground.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Thank you for that update, Vance87. Hopefully they can test those pieces to see if there is any wear and tear on them from a long time ago. It would be nice to find some casing still on the pyramids and test them, but we work with what we have.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Vance » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:47 pm

Too bad only Khafre's pyramid still has the uppermost casing stones. It would be interesting to see what, if any kind of valuable information can be gathered by studying them, even though we all can agree it is younger than the GP...by how much, we're not sure.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby SecondLook » Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:55 am

I'm going to base the age of the pyramid on human evolution (and National Geo). I would said the age of the pyramid is 8,000 years old.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby MercurialMe » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:43 pm

I think the Great Pyramid of Cheops is about 12,000+ years old not only because of the watermarks but because that would be about the time frame when the Giza pyramids lined up with Orion. In the ancient world you don’t put that level of work in unless it has a celestial correspondence… look at Stonehenge.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:38 pm

Weren't most of the casing stones, and maybe I'm late and admittedly didn't read the whole thread to see if it's already been mentioned. But, I have heard that most of the casing stones were removed and used to build things in Cairo. And as for that guy that "discovered" the graffiti in the one Pyramid. I thought he was already determined to be one of History's greatest forgers and there for they couldn't use the graffiti as evidence to the age or claim on the pyramid and other than that and one other symbol there was no other indication that Khufu had anything to do with it?

Also I read something recently they were talking about The Great Sphinx actually being an astrological symbol. This is what the article said regarding the Sphinx.

Warning From The Sphinx

It appears that the Sphinx was a monument built to mark this event in our history as a warning to future humanity. The Precession of the Equinox delineates astronomical time markers corresponding to specific time periods, irrespective of what type of calendar is being used, much like a universal clock. The Precession of the Equinox is a cosmic cycle having a duration of approximately 25,800 years. It is this cycle that the zodiacal ages are based upon. Today we are moving from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. The time marker of the Sphinx appears to be indicating a transition from the Age of Virgo to the Age of Leo within the zodiacal circle, this would be 180 degrees from us now since Leo is the opposite sign of Aquarius.

Leo and Aquarius are also two of the four Fixed Signs of Astrology which were known as the Four Corners of the World. Cosmologically, the Ancients considered Leo, Aquarius, Taurus, and Scorpio as the foundation of the World. The Sphinx is a composite of these four zodiacal signs having a human face (Aquarius), the Body of a Lion (Leo), the Hoof of a Bull (Taurus), and the wings of a Eagle (Scorpio). According to Joseph Jochmans the Sphinx originally had large torches which when lit, looked like wings. The side view of the Sphinx mimics the shape of the stars in the constellation of Leo.

In the book titled The Message of the Sphinx by Bauval and Hancock, they believed that the Sphinx is a marker for the Age of Leo indicating a date of around 10,500 B.C. At this time, the Sphinx pointed toward the eastern horizon, facing the Sun and constellation Leo as they came over the horizon. The message seems to be pointing specifically to the Age of Leo and its position in the 'Four Corners of the World' as being a very significant time in Earth's history. The builders of the Sphinx, were apparently wanting to draw future humanity's attention as a warning to what occurs during these critical time periods.****

My apologies if I haven't quite got the hang of things yet, I'm new but I learn fast :)
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:00 pm

Sunrisepony, I think you got the jist of it.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:06 pm

Sunrise, the casings were removed from the pyramids for the most part, with only a few laying around.

Also, the Great Sphinx has many geologists who state it shows erosion from rains of the distant past. They reason the Sphinx was built at least 7,000 to 13,000 years ago, possibly even earlier.

Many books out there get into the research and reasoning behind the aging process. Mainstream Egyptologists tend to ignore it and call the researchers fringe.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:15 pm

Thanks Bob. Yes, but removed for what purpose? If they were used for buildings in Cairo. Then it would be something to figure out where those stones went. I read one article that said and I think it was written by Joseph Jochmans. He felt that, the pyramids were about 11,600 years old and alluded to them being informational store houses for a culture prior to the Egyptians obviously. I agree with pretty much everyone else here. I think the Pyramids were built before the Egyptians and just late claimed by them. But, then who built them? I read one article that talked about it being the Osirians from the Mediterranean, and yet another that speculated they were built by Atlantians, and that civilization had gone West to East 'vs' East to West.

Another reason I heard they 'ignore' the real age of things like the Pyramids, Great Sphinx and other megalithic sites was in the interest of protecting Eastern and Western Religions.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby mahalla2 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:36 pm

Sunrisepony wrote:Thanks Bob. Yes, but removed for what purpose? If they were used for buildings in Cairo. Then it would be something to figure out where those stones went. I read one article that said and I think it was written by Joseph Jochmans. He felt that, the pyramids were about 11,600 years old and alluded to them being informational store houses for a culture prior to the Egyptians obviously. I agree with pretty much everyone else here. I think the Pyramids were built before the Egyptians and just late claimed by them. But, then who built them? I read one article that talked about it being the Osirians from the Mediterranean, and yet another that speculated they were built by Atlantians, and that civilization had gone West to East 'vs' East to West.

Another reason I heard they 'ignore' the real age of things like the Pyramids, Great Sphinx and other megalithic sites was in the interest of protecting Eastern and Western Religions.


yes, and I will step out on a limb and just say "the Lion of Judah" at one point probably played into this bigtime -
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:42 pm

Sunrisepony wrote:Thanks Bob. Yes, but removed for what purpose? If they were used for buildings in Cairo. Then it would be something to figure out where those stones went. I read one article that said and I think it was written by Joseph Jochmans. He felt that, the pyramids were about 11,600 years old and alluded to them being informational store houses for a culture prior to the Egyptians obviously. I agree with pretty much everyone else here. I think the Pyramids were built before the Egyptians and just late claimed by them. But, then who built them? I read one article that talked about it being the Osirians from the Mediterranean, and yet another that speculated they were built by Atlantians, and that civilization had gone West to East 'vs' East to West.

Another reason I heard they 'ignore' the real age of things like the Pyramids, Great Sphinx and other megalithic sites was in the interest of protecting Eastern and Western Religions.


The casings were used in the 18th through the 20th Centuries for building materials in Cairo and other growing cities in Egypt. This was before they figured out what great tourist attractions they had with the pyramids. This has been happening throughout thousands of years as humans have reused anything that was available for housing and remaking tools needed at the time. It is sad, but that was the thinking back then as they looked at those abandoned buildings as something they could use again for materials.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby half baked lasagna » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:53 am

If one is trying to "convince" others of their theories based upon "facts", there would be no need for convincing. These so-called facts would have been read by every individual that attended History class in school. All of the programs that are referred to are also differing OPINIONS of different people around the world. I know people wish to believe what they hear, but without irrefutable evidence beyond reasonable doubt, the arguments are moot. If there does in fact exist an omnipotent being yet to reveal himself (or herself), then we may get the answers we seek someday in the future; until then, they are nothing more than theories and opinions.
I am willing to entertain all theories and opinions of how long the Pyramids have been on Earth, who built them, and how they were built, because not only do I love to hear what others believe, I also like to compare others' theories to my own and explore the differences and similarities. It's a little ridiculous for people to argue over what one's beliefs and opinions are when either of them could be right or wrong. For more theories and opinions of how the Earth's many wonders came to be, visit www.icr.org. That is the website of the Institute for Creation Research. It is spectacularly interesting, especially for open-minded individuals like us. :D
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:57 am

HBL,

I think you're missing one of the most "blindingly obvious" things about Egyptology, and mainstream historical "dating". If, Egyptologist even came marginaly close to freely admitting to the true age, which evidence supports (including water erosion) of the pyramids which is around 11,600 years old. The Sphinx might be about 10,500 or similar in age to the Pyramids. And, possibly they are even older than that? Then it would force them to admit they were not only wrong. But, history would have to be re-written literally "all over" and they just don't want to do that. Why should mainstream scientist have to admit that civilizations etc existed way before 6,000 years ago. And more like 20,000 years...at least. One of the ones that everyone likes throwing around here. Puma Punku for example, I believe that one was dated to around 17,000 years old. There are many megalithic cities being found that are between 9,000 plus years old under water. And, one was even found off Cuba, and Geologist stated that and I quote "The land those builds are on hasn't been above water in about 50,000 years."

We've already determined that it was literally beyond reasonable doubt, logic, possibility, probability etc. That, the pyramids could have even been built using "primitive tools" and especially in the 20yr time period. Not even in 260yrs would it have been possible using those methods. I'll make a second post with an excerpt (including the link) from Joseph Jochman's article on the pyramids. He's a very well respected research journalist much like Phillip, Giorgio, etc.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:00 am

How Old Are The Pyramids
by Joseph Robert Jochmans

The controversy raised by John Anthony West and Robert Schoch concerning the true age of the Great Sphinx is now beginning to overcast the other famous monuments which share space on the Giza plateau—namely, the three pyramids that were supposedly built by Pharaohs Khufu, Khafre and Menkhare in the Fourth Dynasty. Were these Pyramids constructed only 4,300 years ago, or—like the Sphinx—is there evidence they could be far older, dating instead to perhaps 12,000 years ago?

Let’s begin first with looking at the age of the Great Pyramid. The conservative historians’ entire case for dating the Great Pyramid to the Fourth Dynasty rests upon two major pieces of evidence. The first is the story of Herodotus, who in 443 B.C. visited Egypt and recounted how Pharaoh Cheops (the Greek name for Khufu) built the Great Pyramid during his reign with 100,000 men in 20 years. However, we now know this story is highly questionable. Even his contemporaries called Herodotus the "Father of Lies." Not only do the construction estimates he gave not work, but Herodotus, as an Initiate in the Egyptian Mystery Schools, was sworn to secrecy regarding the true nature of the Pyramid, and he more than likely copied a fictitious tale about the monument that was then in circulation among the common masses. The Greek historian’s account stands in sharp contrast to most other Egyptian, Hebrew, Greek, Roman, Hermetic, Coptic and medieval Arabic scholarly sources which agree that the Great Pyramid was not constructed during the time frame of Pharaoh Khufu or Dynastic Egypt, but was the product of the "Age of the Gods" thousands of years earlier.

The second piece of evidence is the existence of painted hieroglyphic inscriptions found in the air space chambers above the King’s Chamber, which include the name of Pharaoh Khufu. They were supposedly discovered by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse in 1837, when he forced his way up to these chambers using gunpowder. But there are certain facts showing these inscriptions were in actuality forgeries.

At the time Col. Howard-Vyse began his quest to find chambers above the King’s Chamber, his digging concession from the Egyptian authorities, as well as his financial support, were both running out. It was necessary for him to make a major discovery as soon as possible in order to continue his work. He was hoping that the area above Davison’s Chamber (the first air space chamber, discovered by Nathaniel Davison in 1765) would contain a large, hidden room or vault, and was severely disappointed when instead he brought to light only another air space chamber, which was far from the "dramatic discovery" he needed.

Only two months before, his rival, the Italian explorer Captain Caviglia, had stirred archaeological circles with his find of quarry inscriptions in some of the tombs around the Great Pyramid. These quarry inscriptions took the form of hieroglyphs daubed on the building blocks with a red paint, and had been used by the builders of the Old Kingdom as directions for where the blocks were to be placed. A number of modern researchers now suspect that, in the battle for archaeological oneupman-ship, Col. Howard-Vyse sought to overshadow Caviglia, and gain renewed support for his own projects, with a similar but more spectacular "discovery," by imitating these quarry inscriptions inside the Great Pyramid itself. Forging such inscriptions would have been fairly easy, since the Arabs still use similar red ochre paint, called moghrah, that is indistinguishable from that of the ancients.

The question has never been answered, why do inscriptions appear only in the air space chambers that Col. Howard- Vyse opened, but none were found in Davison’s Chamber, with which the Colonel had nothing to do, discovered earlier, in 1765?

Serious problems also arise when we examine the nature of the inscriptions themselves. Samuel Birch, a hieroglyph expert of the British Museum, was among the first to analyze the air chamber paintings, and noted a number of peculiarities among them which remain unresolved to this day. These "peculiarities" represent serious mistakes on the part of the forger. Birch noted, for example, that many of the daubings were not hieroglyphic but hieratic. Now hieratic was a form of written shorthand first developed during the Middle Kingdom, or at least a thousand years after the Fourth Dynasty. In one location, directly after a royal cartouche, the title is given, "Mighty in Upper and Lower Egypt," in a form that made its first appearance during the Saitic period of the 6th century B.C., a full 2,000 years after Khufu’s reign.

In another place, the hieroglyph symbol for "good, gracious" was used as the number "18," a usage found nowhere else in the entire body of Egyptian literature. In fact, Birch and later Egyptologists such as Carl Richard Lepsius and Sir Flinders Petrie were disturbed at the number of exceptions of usage in the air space chamber, inscriptions found by Col. Howard-Vyse that have absolutely no parallel throughout 4,000 years of hieroglyphic writing.

In perhaps the most blatant example of forgery, in Col. Howard-Vyse’s chambers one finds great confusion concerning the appearance of the name Khufu. At the time these chambers were being opened, the Pharaoh’s cartouche had not yet been fully revealed from other excavations, and there were several possibilities to choose from. As a result, a number of crude hybrid forms appear throughout the air chambers, such as "Khnem-Khuf," "Souphis," "Saufou," etc. The problem with the first example, "Khnem-Khuf," is that we know today that it signifies "brother of Khufu" and refers to Khafre, Khufu’s eventual successor. For years, this appearance of a second king’s name has not been explained, and as Gaston Maspero observed in The Dawn of Civilization: "The existence of the two cartouches of Khufu and Khnem-Khufu on the same monument has caused much embarrassment to Egyptologists."

Adding to this further is the fact that, where the right hieroglyph name for Khufu does appear, it is spelled wrong. The hieroglyph sources available to Col. Howard-Vyse in 1837, Sir John Gardner Wilkinson’s Material Hieroglyphia, and Leon de Laborde’s Voyage de l’Arabee Petree, incorrectly depicted the first symbol of Khufu’s name as an open circle with a dot in the middle—the sign of Ra, the sun god—instead of a solid disk, which is the phonetic sound kh. Col. Howard-Vyse made the fatal error of copying this mistake in the uppermost of the air space chambers, so that, when strictly translated, the name given is Raufu, and not Khufu. Again, nowhere else in all of Egyptian literature, except in the air space chamber inscriptions, is this aberrant spelling for Khufu found.

This last mistake is the final blow showing that Col. Howard-Vyse and not the original builders of the Great Pyramid was the true source who caused the red-painted markings to be inscribed. And with that the proof that the Great Pyramid was built by Pharaoh Khufu in the Fourth Dynasty also vanishes.

Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."

The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.

The Stele then ends with the story of how Khufu built small pyramids for himself and his daughters, wife and family, next to the Great Pyramid. Today, the ruins of three small pyramids are indeed situated on the east side of the monument. Archaeologists have found independent evidence that the southernmost of the three small pyramids flanking the Great Pyramid was in fact dedicated to Henutsen, a wife of Khufu. Everything in the inscription thus matches the known facts. If these facts can be believed as true, then the additional information that Khufu was only a restorer of the Great Pyramid and not its builder, must also be treated as historically true.

Continued Here:
http://www.atlantisrising.com/backissues/issue8/ar8pyramids.html
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby half baked lasagna » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:56 am

SP,
What point did I miss, exactly? Nevermind, you'll probably just post a long-winded opinion of someone else's for me to read and speculate on, anyway. Obviously, you missed the point I was trying to make. There are no hard facts or evidence to PROVE any of that is true. As you try once again to convince me of yet another theory....you completely missed the point of my comment. Sorry :?
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:07 am

if one is trying to "convince" others of their theories based upon "facts", there would be no need for convincing. These so-called facts would have been read by every individual that attended History class in school. All of the programs that are referred to are also differing OPINIONS of different people around the world. I know people wish to believe what they hear, but without irrefutable evidence beyond reasonable doubt, the arguments are moot. If there does in fact exist an omnipotent being yet to reveal himself (or herself), then we may get the answers we seek someday in the future; until then, they are nothing more than theories and opinions.
I am willing to entertain all theories and opinions of how long the Pyramids have been on Earth, who built them, and how they were built, because not only do I love to hear what others believe, I also like to compare others' theories to my own and explore the differences and similarities. It's a little ridiculous for people to argue over what one's beliefs and opinions are when either of them could be right or wrong.


This is the same as for archeologists, and Egyptologists that are not based on facts, but speculations of what was the time periods of Egyptian's building pyramids abnd how they were built. They are not based on facts, even though they are taught in history classes. It is their opinions that in the books, not facts. So their theories and opinions count, but ours do not is what you are stating. Sorry I just don't fall in line with the sheep way of being, I follow my own path, as do most others here. We do research, and that is why we do not just blindly follow what others state as fact that is just their opinions. I do also have opinions, and also believe that there needs to be more facts before I will believe in the acadamia's timelines, or process of pyramid building.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby half baked lasagna » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:18 am

Furthermore, the only "blindingly obvious" fact is that there are conflicting theories about the Pyramids' ages. Rewriting history isn't the problem, either, there are conflicting theories already written from the Big Bang Theory to Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The funny thing is, you say history would have to be rewritten, but this article you suggest as historically correct, or most probable, or whatever you're trying to prove bringing it up in the first place, WAS written by someone. A theory. Give me some hard facts or something with concrete evidentiary value and I'll call it the truth, but until then, it's all speculation and guesswork.
And Bob, you misunderstand me as well. There are plenty of theories written in history books, and it doesn't mean they are factual or true in any way. If one chooses to believe, fine, just like different religions, laws, customs, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What I said was it is not FACT until it is PROVEN. I believe I stated that ALL opinions and theories COUNT (that doesn't exclude anyone, if you're still confused, it's right there in black and white), so I don't know where you get off putting untrue statements referring to my post as if it came from me. You just reiterate the point I was trying to make, the ridiculousness of arguing over opinions and theories, and for that, I thank you. :lol:
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:36 am

What I was trying to communicate is that not everything read in History books is factual, and not everything coming from academia is factual, and that many so called authorities base their beliefs on theories, and propositions, and beliefs as well as ones do here. It is similar to ones who believe Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, which actually his slave invented it, not him. He just took credit for it, but ask almost anyone who knows of the Cotton Gin,a nd they will think it preposterous that Eli himself did not invent it. It is also true of the pyramids being built, and the Sphinx, and other Megalithic sites around the world. Most think it preposterous that they were not built by the indigenous population of the time period in which they "hope everyone believes" they were built, and base their whole research off of that belief, rather than finding out facts by actually correctly dating the buildings, or accepting the facts and admitting that they just do not have the entire facts or do not have the technology to properly date them, and so cannot honestly date such structures other than with pure speculation,a nd adulterated information. In other words adulterated history is the norm, and an alternative view point is discredited without proof, even though the other view points do not have the proof either, but is accepted. I have been doing research for over 40 years, and from my analysis is that without proper honesty and open minded research, and more research, the only conclusion that can be made of our history is of utter incompleteness, and unsound principles abound throughout history on science and religious practices, and therefore are based on BS.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby half baked lasagna » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:47 am

Yes, Bob, I agree with you. Nowadays, so many things that have been believed as fact for many decades are challenged as fraudulent or fake, Man's Walk on the Moon, for instance. The truth of it all is that when considering history, no one can say what is true and what is not, because we weren't there and did not bear witness. Throughout all time, people have told stories, fact and fiction, have embellished the truth to make stories more interesting, or just plain made up something in fear of not being believed, or to have others believe that they witnessed something extraordinary. Like I said, it is more interesting to have different opinions and theories, how boring it must be to believe so strongly in something that one's mind is completely closed to any other possibilities.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:08 am

That is for sure. I once believed as I was taught in school, and had a closed mind, but once I became open minded to other possibilities I actually learned a lot more and found that there are a whole lot of things that are misunderstood, and a whole lot of artifacts that have been lost, and/or covered up to seem to almost be a conspiracy on ancient findings that do not fit in with the old academic theories of evolution and the timelines of historians and archeologists. Our history just does not seem to fit in with just one complete little package like most want it to. I remember when I lived in California and went to the Mystery Spot jsut outside Santa Cruz, and discovered that the laws of physics just do not work right in that area, it really astounded me on how inaccurate perspectives try to box everything into one thing, when we really do not know all about everything, just bits and pieces of somethings, and they do not make up the whole of everything.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:52 pm

half baked lasagna wrote:SP,
What point did I miss, exactly? Nevermind, you'll probably just post a long-winded opinion of someone else's for me to read and speculate on, anyway. Obviously, you missed the point I was trying to make. There are no hard facts or evidence to PROVE any of that is true. As you try once again to convince me of yet another theory....you completely missed the point of my comment. Sorry :?


I do see what you are saying. Once specialist in his field will state one thing about the age of the pyramids, and someone will offer a theory to contradict the previous idea.

We do need to look at the solid facts about said objects and try to make conclusions based on those. No matter what theory is stated, there are some problems with it. Those who state the pyramids are 10,000 years or older cannot show the rain erosion which is evident on the Sphinx. I brought up the casings which were removed as they could help determine if the pyramids did undergo the same rain erosion as the Sphinx.

There are many who believe the pyramids were built 5000 or so years ago based on a very ancient layout plan. I have read so many books on the subject of the pyramids my head is starting to spin. But I do look for the actual facts and evidence which is presented to prove the case.

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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:03 pm

HBL

Thankyou for being so unobservant. No, you still missed what I was trying to say. JJ did write his article based on historical FACTS, not Theories. It was his intent with the article in the first place to disprove many theories using FACTS. I don't follow like a sheep, like many others here as has been mentioned already, I make my own decisions, based on facts,not theories. Like everyone else, you're free to believe what ever you want.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:01 pm

I have read where there are still a few casing stones left, but they have never been dated. My understanding is that to date stone, you have to have a place where it has not been moved once it was put down, and then they can date it by testing the stone where it has been covered all the time since it was placed, and they could not get approval to do so from Zari Hawass.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:27 pm

And then are even those accurate? Because there would still possibly be the conflict between the formation of the stone "date" and the date it was laid down. And, then if it has moved in anyway, wither by earth quakes or from human intervention. I heard once , one of the huge "miss dating" of one of the pyramids was do to the Powers That Be carbon dating an patch/repair job that had been done in the last 3,000 - 5,000 years. And gave them a completely false date of the actual age. Even JJ mentions though in his article there are many many cultures across Europe, the Middle East and Asia that have in their records the pyramids being a pre-egyptian dynasty creation. I really honestly think they were either created by the Atlantians, or Osirians as a way to store the history of the world and their people. And, quite probably a good portion of the hieroglyphs have been misinterpreted.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Bob137 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:30 am

SunrisePony, I believe that also, but we were talking about actual proof, which we have not been able to find as of yet. I hope that soon some real archeological studies of these pyramids can be done and with an open mind, not on a biased predisposition, but that is something I am sure we all or most are waiting for.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby mahalla2 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:01 am

Bob137 wrote:SunrisePony, I believe that also, but we were talking about actual proof, which we have not been able to find as of yet. I hope that soon some real archeological studies of these pyramids can be done and with an open mind, not on a biased predisposition, but that is something I am sure we all or most are waiting for.


And if/when the truth is ever discovered read about it quickly because I'm fairly sure the beginnings of another cover-up will follow shortly thereafter -
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Sunrisepony » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:23 am

mahalla2 wrote:
Bob137 wrote:SunrisePony, I believe that also, but we were talking about actual proof, which we have not been able to find as of yet. I hope that soon some real archeological studies of these pyramids can be done and with an open mind, not on a biased predisposition, but that is something I am sure we all or most are waiting for.


And if/when the truth is ever discovered read about it quickly because I'm fairly sure the beginnings of another cover-up will follow shortly thereafter -

I agree with you both, but that's part of the charm or quality that befalls (I think is the right term here) JJ. As he mentions in his article, there are many cultures that refer to the pyramids as being older than the Egyptian Dynasty. It's only logical that those things are at the very least 11,600 years old. And, most of the cover ups exist to as I mentioned "protect western and eastern religions." and so mainstream scientist don't have to fully re-write history. Imagine, even taking the pyramids out of the equation, when humanity 'wakes up' and realizes just exactly who's right and who's wrong about earth's true history and our true existence. It's going to be absolute chaos for a while, unless it's done at a point when humanity has evolved beyond what we are now.
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Re: Board Consensus on Age of Pyramids?

Postby Moon » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:50 pm

Bob137 wrote:I have read where there are still a few casing stones left, but they have never been dated. My understanding is that to date stone, you have to have a place where it has not been moved once it was put down, and then they can date it by testing the stone where it has been covered all the time since it was placed, and they could not get approval to do so from Zari Hawass.


They do need to be examined for rain water erosion just as the Sphinx was discovered to have. This is the hard evidence that is needed to show the mainstreamers we are not just nutjobs with tin foil hats (or aluminum foil hats). It does seem that any suggestion gets dismissed immediately without any real study of the issues raised.
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