Is Comet Elenin Going to Hit Earth?

[Bob137]

Too many young ones have enough problems to deal with as it is. I hope I have not put forth too much bad end scenario's forth, myself, because I do not wish to give kids anymore grief, than they already get. So many youngsters today have a lot more problems coping with life, than my generation did, even though we had our own problems, that is for sure.

[athena]

I read a few of your comments about young people wanting to commit suicide over fear of dieing or whatever of a commet. People of all ages who want to commit suicide have weak minds. It has nothing to do with commets coming and going and bad news. It does however have to do with fear, depression and for some dark entitiies that manipulate minds into thinking strange ... weird ... bad stuff that's going to happen. Let's face it people ... if an 11 year old is thinking about suicide ... it's beyond a commet ... He needs help!

athena

[Bob137]

There are Indigo Children, that are more sensitive to life and all it's perspectives. They are not the same as past generations, and are like an in between of what humans are to become, so to be so critical as such is to not be as informed as you put forth! I would suggest a research on the Indigo children, might better give you more informed insight, when it comes to compassion, and empathy! Which is of the higher order!

[athena]

*** I am an Indigo myself ... and I am quite informed ... perhaps you should read more about Spiritual people ... Crystal children and Indigos ... they go around wanting to commit suiside ... they are sensitive yes but not suicidal! ***

[seeker1117]

Hm...not quite sure how to respond to this. Don't really wish to "start" anything with you, but do feel the need to say something.

Not sure if it was your intent, but your last couple of posts "come across" as quite dismissive and insensitive.

What the gentleman in the article was referring to is the fact that he (who is in somewhat of an official position) has only recently (since all the sensationalistic/disinformational/speculative information about the comet has become widespread) begun to get an alarming number of inquiries from young people who are truly worried and upset by what they're reading and hearing. I'm sure that he doesn't usually get (nor has he in the past) quite such a number of such inquiries, and he finds it troubling.

To dismiss the pain and suffering of those frightened enough to contemplate suicide or manifest physical illness symptoms as "weak minded" is dismissive and insensitive, and inappropriate.

[athena]

Here is something that you all should be aware of ... My friend from NASA sent this to me this morning about the iReport - Athena
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-640370

[Bob137]

Here is what Nasa's JPL has to say about comet Elenin:

How does a NASA scientist define cometary wimpiness?

"We're talking about how a comet looks as it safely flies past us," said Yeomans. "Some cometary visitors arriving from beyond the planetary region – like Hale-Bopp in 1997 -- have really lit up the night sky where you can see them easily with the naked eye as they safely transit the inner-solar system. But Elenin is trending toward the other end of the spectrum. You'll probably need a good pair of binoculars, clear skies, and a dark, secluded location to see it even on its brightest night."

Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16 of this year. At its closest point, it will be 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) from us. Can this icy interloper influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? What about this celestial object inspiring some shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth? There have been some incorrect Internet speculations that external forces could cause comet Elenin to come closer.

"Comet Elenin will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth," said Yeomans. "It will get no closer to Earth than 35 million kilometers [about 22 million miles]. "

"Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets," said Yeomans. "And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt.

"So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

[Pons Asinorum]

Here is what Nasa's JPL has to say about comet Elenin:

Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16 of this year. At its closest point, it will be 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) from us.

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"By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

Using the JPL app on the second comment of this thread, the closet approach was on Oct 18th or 19th -- 22 million miles (rounded). Turns out the distance is correct, but will occur a couple of days prior.

That is a cool app and its database is updated. I just went back and sure enough the Oct 16th date is now the closest (the Oct 18th date has a slightly different value), which shows how certain the orbital trajectory becomes as the object approaches us. The further out, the greater the uncertainty.

Cool beans

[cesarnc]

I'm reading and watching a lot about Elenin recently.

However, let's take a look at this: There is this video, posted here, showing Elenin-Earth-Sun alignments right on the dates of major earthquakes on Earth, right? Also there is this paper about the same thing.

Let's assume then, that the cause of those Earthquakes is the gravitational alignment, like Elenin pulling Earth from one side and the Sun pulling from the other (in the case Earth is in the middle) or both Elenin and the Sun pulling Earth from the same side (in case the Sun is in the middle).

My question is: Why those alignments cause massive Earthquakes but they don't cause any change in the oceans? Like tides or even super-tides?

My point is: our Moon mess with our oceans through gravitational interaction without causing any Earthquakes. One would assume that a HUGE gravitational alignment that causes Earthquakes should then mess with our oceans even more than the Moon does...

It is that or the mechanism through which the Elenin alignments mess with Earth is other than a gravitational one, but what?

[cesarnc]

Talks started that Jupiter mission spacecraft Juno, launched yesterday, is vehicle to blow up Elenin.

I haven't run the calculations, but it's reasonable to assume that a spacecraft would take one or two months to rendezvous with the incoming comet by the time it gets closest to Earth, no?

[cesarnc]

Today the Sun, Mercury, Venus and Earth aligned. With Elenin at 90 degrees.





Well, just to keep the record in case something crazy happens later in the day

[Ace Rimmer]

Do I need to strap myself to a chair or head for the hills ?

[Bob137]

All I know is the heat and humidity here is really high. Maybe due to t his conjunction along with it being summer!

[cesarnc]

For those who want to follow the comet...

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C ... ;cad=0#orb

[seeker1117]

Just found this humorous bit...looks like NASA has decided we should all "lighten up" about this as well!

http://tv.ibtimes.com/nasa-calls-comet-elenin-wimpy/1658.html

transcript:
NASA Calls Comet Elenin "Wimpy"

K. Cameron Lau | Aug 17, 2011 | 1min:58sec

Comet Elenin has been the subject of some serious internet chatter for quite some time now and has instigated a world of doomsday machinations pointing to everything from the second coming of Christ to the possibility of an alien spacecraft shadowing the comet’s tail on a collision course with Earth. Probably the most disturbing of the lot has been the mutterings of impending doom that have invoked images from just about every Hollywood disaster flick as believers convinced the end is near echo prophecies from just about every ancient civilization currently known to modern man.
The chatter has basically grown so monstrous that NASA, on a mission to propel certain beguiling conspiracy theories into deep space once and for all, has decided to relay some interesting facts about the comet called Elenin, the first of which being it’s not going to kill us. Why is not going to smash into the ocean sending behemoth tsunamis in every direction while filling the skies with a thick barricade of volcanic ash? Well, according to the experts, it’s because Elenin is really a little itty bitty baby comet in relative terms, only about 5 km wide at most and will not even be coming close to a direct hit. In fact, the closest it will come to this wonderful ball of frenetic paranoia is 90 times the Earth-moon distance, which when you do the math, comes to 22 million miles. In case you are still not convinced, NASA has even gone ahead and posted a Q&A entitled, “Everything You Ever Needed to Know About Comet Elenin.”
So basically, no, Comet Elenin will not block the sun for three days. And, no, comet Elenin is not a brown dwarf and no it will not be sucking Comet Honda into a black hole. And no, Comet Elenin has not been the subject of intense NASA scrutiny indicative of a looming Armageddon and a plot to keep the truth from the people. In fact, what they call Elenin over at NASA is literally, “wimpy.” Yes, wimpy.

[seeker1117]

As "Astro" or "Scooby-Doo" would say: "Rut-roh!"

From Hoagland, via Noory:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/enterprise-images-of-elenin

As the youngsters would say...."WTF?"

Looks like "Theeeeeeeeey're baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

maybe?

[Bob137]

Very Interesting!

[Foxlike Mulder]

I don't know how many comets are out there, but this one does seem to get a lot of attention. Is it the provocative name of it's founder, Leonid Elenin? I am definitely keeping my eyes open just in case.

[cesarnc]

I don't know how many comets are out there, but this one does seem to get a lot of attention. Is it the provocative name of it's founder, Leonid Elenin? I am definitely keeping my eyes open just in case.

I'm watching this guy, too.

And if they are intelligent, there weren't intelligent enough to know that YOU DO NOT FLASH A TRIANGLE to the planet where Hoagland lives

*(for those not familiar with his work, he's seen those tetrahedron in every single planet in this Solar system)


---- now seriously ----

There is a science that is getting traction now called "Torsion Fields", some times called Hyperdimendional Physics. This science is answering many unanswered questions left by the mainstream scientists. It's currently being developed by Russians and Czechs, wherever, those East Europe guys (that are all but dumbasses, when it cames down to science, you know that...).

And it's not getting traction in the mainstream science community because it will flush reputations down the toilet, maybe the only one left with nose above water would be Einstein.

Anyways, I'm not going to go deep on this, but the core of this science is that you can suck free energy out of aether (hello, Mr. Aether is back in town) via vibrational fields / magnetism and all.

And depending on the vibration / amount of energy involved, the medium (aether) assumes different geometric shapes, one of them, the Tetrahedron.

So finding a tetrahedron around a comet is not an artificiallity per se. Maybe the comet is shaking his path in such a way to cause the right vibration.

But when you put a tetrahedron and Mr. Hoagland in the same room, you will get "intelligent stuff" as his answer.

[Foxlike Mulder]

I don't know how many comets are out there, but this one does seem to get a lot of attention. Is it the provocative name of it's founder, Leonid Elenin? I am definitely keeping my eyes open just in case.

I'm watching this guy, too.

And if they are intelligent, there weren't intelligent enough to know that YOU DO NOT FLASH A TRIANGLE to the planet where Hoagland lives

*(for those not familiar with his work, he's seen those tetrahedron in every single planet in this Solar system)


---- now seriously ----

There is a science that is getting traction now called "Torsion Fields", some times called Hyperdimendional Physics. This science is answering many unanswered questions left by the mainstream scientists. It's currently being developed by Russians and Czechs, wherever, those East Europe guys (that are all but dumbasses, when it cames down to science, you know that...).

And it's not getting traction in the mainstream science community because it will flush reputations down the toilet, maybe the only one left with nose above water would be Einstein.

Anyways, I'm not going to go deep on this, but the core of this science is that you can suck free energy out of aether (hello, Mr. Aether is back in town) via vibrational fields / magnetism and all.

And depending on the vibration / amount of energy involved, the medium (aether) assumes different geometric shapes, one of them, the Tetrahedron.

So finding a tetrahedron around a comet is not an artificiallity per se. Maybe the comet is shaking his path in such a way to cause the right vibration.

But when you put a tetrahedron and Mr. Hoagland in the same room, you will get "intelligent stuff" as his answer.

I looked at the video on Leonid Elenin's Space Orbs site, and I have to say, even in the 4 second video, it looks like there is something "of shape" there. All this stuff is "Supa Freakay" as Rick James used to say.

[Bob137]

Once it is close enough, that I can see it with my own telescope, then I will decide which is right, and which is an illusion, other than that, I will just have to wait and see, because I haven't seen enough scientific evidence to show for sure it is not just a regular comet.

[Ace Rimmer]

As "Astro" or "Scooby-Doo" would say: "Rut-roh!"

From Hoagland, via Noory:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/enterprise-images-of-elenin

As the youngsters would say...."WTF?"

Looks like "Theeeeeeeeey're baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

maybe?

Curiouser and curiouser !

[cesarnc]

Once it is close enough, that I can see it with my own telescope, then I will decide which is right, and which is an illusion, other than that, I will just have to wait and see, because I haven't seen enough scientific evidence to show for sure it is not just a regular comet.

It looks like a regular comet, but c'mon!

1)- Leonid Elenin (the guy who discovered the comet):
"Leo" as "Leo Bidderman" in the movie Deep Impact, which was the first movie to show an African-american president.
"Elenin", read backwards is ninele - "nine eleven"?

2)- The comet, according to NASA's data, will be closest to the Sun on the tenth anniversary of 9/11.

Conspiracies are unavoidable with all these things...

[Alien Void Machine]

The video in this website, that I encountered yesterday, might provide an explanation to those who want it.

- http://awakeningasone.com/

Watch "The Quickening", it speaks about the Mayan calendar and Hopi prophecies in relation to Elenin and earthquakes and such things. Those who are interested will certainly enjoy it, and perhaps even learn from it.

[seeker1117]

Curiouser and curiouser !

Indeed, even more so in light of this, which I found while having my morning coffee:

via http://www.spaceweather.com (a very cool site to keep up to date on CMEs and Sunspot cycles and such things)

"SO MUCH FOR DOOMSDAY: Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), widely known for inaccurate reports of its threat to Earth, appears to be breaking apart. Observations by amateur astronomer Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Australia show a marked dimming and elongation of the comet's nucleus over a ten day period:

The behavior of Comet Elenin is akin to that of Comet LINEAR (C/1999 S4), which disintegrated when it approached the sun in back in 2000. Mattiazzo witnessed that event, too. "Yes I did observe the breakup of C/1999 S4 in July 2000," he recalls. "It was quite spectacular watching the nucleus spread out into a cigar shape over a period of days. The apparent breakup of C/2010 X1 is similar, although less visually spectacular."

Comets are fragile objects, easily disrupted by solar heat. As a result, the possible breakup of Comet Elenin, while unexpected, comes as no surprise. "

OK, so it's disintegrating. I'll be interested to see if there's still "something" where it's plotted to be, after its "disintegration".

[Ace Rimmer]

Once it is close enough, that I can see it with my own telescope, then I will decide which is right, and which is an illusion, other than that, I will just have to wait and see, because I haven't seen enough scientific evidence to show for sure it is not just a regular comet.

It looks like a regular comet, but c'mon!

1)- Leonid Elenin (the guy who discovered the comet):
"Leo" as "Leo Bidderman" in the movie Deep Impact, which was the first movie to show an African-american president.
"Elenin", read backwards is ninele - "nine eleven"?

2)- The comet, according to NASA's data, will be closest to the Sun on the tenth anniversary of 9/11.

Conspiracies are unavoidable with all these things...

Oh have you been going to Conspiracy Forms!?

[cesarnc]

Once it is close enough, that I can see it with my own telescope, then I will decide which is right, and which is an illusion, other than that, I will just have to wait and see, because I haven't seen enough scientific evidence to show for sure it is not just a regular comet.

It looks like a regular comet, but c'mon!

1)- Leonid Elenin (the guy who discovered the comet):
"Leo" as "Leo Bidderman" in the movie Deep Impact, which was the first movie to show an African-american president.
"Elenin", read backwards is ninele - "nine eleven"?

2)- The comet, according to NASA's data, will be closest to the Sun on the tenth anniversary of 9/11.

Conspiracies are unavoidable with all these things...

Oh have you been going to Conspiracy Forms!?

Well, the guy's name and date the comet is closest to the Sun ARE FACTS.

[seeker1117]

So now that the thing is evidently breaking up and dissolving before our very eyeballs, I just have to wonder at all the hysteria generated, and ALL those videos, and ALL those articles. Is the joke on us?

Have we all just been artfully distracted by some USDA Prime Grade A Disinformation here?

[Bob137]

Hey let's just screw with everybody, and tell them a giant planet is headed this way, and is going to collide with earth, and kill everyone on it! Then we can mess with them a few months later, and tell them, nah it's just a comet, but it is still going to hit earth, and kill everyone on it. then we can mess with them a few months later again, and say it is a comet, but it's jsut going to come close, but still screw up the earth, then again months later, say it's a comet, but not spectacular enough to do much. Then later say it is not even going to be spectacular enough to pay attention to. Then later say it is not even going to stay together, and will break up and dissapate when it gets close to the sun, so don't worry, be Happy!

[seeker1117]

Yeah...you can just see 'em grinnin' sayin' "Let's mess with the stinky monkeys!"

[Alien Void Machine]

I've heard all kinds of rumors that Elenin is disintegrating or something...

[cesarnc]

I've heard all kinds of rumors that Elenin is disintegrating or something...

And then I go google for the rumors and find this:

"In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship. Hoagland claims that reports that Elenin has disintegrated are part of a disinformation campaign to distract the public away from Elenin’s artificial nature, and the world changing message it has for humanity. The latest satellite images of Elenin showing its uninterrupted passage from the CME, no breaking apart, and clearly displaying some kind of triangular energy shield appear to support Hoagland’s claims."

http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/in ... shield997/

This guy Hoagland is crazy. Period. However, he makes very good points. Specially about Mars and the Moon. Everything he says cannot be verified (who has a spaceship to go find out? NASA, yeah right).

But this time is different: if there is something going on with this comet, either we fugure it out in a couple of days or his reputation (already hanging) will go bankrupt.

Time will tell...

On my side, I hope they are a pack of Aliens, forced to travel through 50 light years because "that's lil blue planet's politicians suck".

They will be so pissed off for having to make such a long trip, that it will be all about "ass kicking all around" and Earth will be a better place by Nov 1st

[Foxlike Mulder]

Whereas I am still a little curious about what Elenin has in store for us, I just don't think I subscrobe to the theory that there is a spaceship hiding amongst the ice crystals. I guess if I believe in the ET theories, I would think they'd have a ship that travels far faster than a comet. If they were hiding, I'm sure there are other technologies available to them that would enable a surprise visit. I suppose there are different levels of "advanced cultures" out there, some traveling through space at faster speeds than others, but comet speed just seems too slow for advanced life (IMO).

[cesarnc]

3 days to perihelion (nearest the Sun), set to 9/11.

On 13th, Elenin crosses the ecliptic (it's coming from "below" the plane of the Sun's equator and on 13th it will crosses it). However, Elenin has a very little inclined path.

Speculations around that Elenin is desintegrating and might not survive the perihelion.

Right now it's at 0,7AU from Earth, will get as close as 0.234 AU by Oct 17th.

[Pons Asinorum]

Here is the closest approach data from NASA (which maintains a large database of many asteroid/cometary objects):

Date: Oct 16, 2011
Distance: 0.234 AU (21,700,000 miles or 35 million km)
Velocity: 24 km/s (53,500 mph)

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=1#cad

Info was updated on Sep 2, 2011.

For comparison, that distance is over 91 times the distance to the Moon. Given that the Moon is (much) more massive than Elenin, and given Newton's Law of Gravity, the effect that Elenin will have on the Earth is (roughly):

ZERO

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my Math:
Force = G * M(earth) * M(elenin) / r^2 = 6.674E-11 * 5.96E+24 * 1E6 / (3.50E6)^2 = 325,000 N
Force = G * M(earth) * M(moon) / r^2 = 6.674E-11 * 5.96E+24 * 7.40E+22 / (3.84E5)^2 = 1.99E26 N or 199,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 N

Where F, G, M and r are Force, Gravitational Constant, Mass and distance respectively. For this example, Elenin was given an exaggerated mass of a million kg, but even at a billion or a trillion kg, it does not really matter.

Ratio of the Effects of the Force of Gravity on the Earth by the Moon vs Elenin is: 199,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 / 325,000 or (roughly) ZERO.