Atlantis Where Is It?

[Moon]

I read about the anchor on this topic, could the anchor not just of been from a later ship but Atlantis was already sunk by then and the ship just so happened to sink over a bit of Atlantis???

They dated it by the coral which was found on it. That is how they were able to get a good date on when it was being used.

It is still possible Bimini is much older than the date they came up with. But the fact they found an anchor which was left there so long ago should create more questions about the ancients visiting the Americas. The thinking now is any visitations were by accident and not due to a sea route. If there was an ancient sea route, how long has it been in use?

The anchor does help with the Atlantis cause as it opens up the possibility of Atlantis being in that area. However, the anchor was not any physical evidence of Atlantis in itself.

[cRush]

The only real problem with that though is that Antarctica has only been covered with water for a few hundred years. Have you seen the Peri Reis (sp?) map and there are several other maps from around the 1300's - 1500's that show with remarkable accuracy the exact precise coast line of Antarctica, and the fact that it is two landmasses divided by a river. Which means sometime in that time frame..it had to be without ice. No other real explanation for those maps to have that amount of accuracy and detail.

You say this as if it is an indisputable fact that Antarctica has only been covered with water for a few hundred years, but where is the evidence? The Peri Reis map has been compared directly to the Antarctic coast line (with ice and without ice) and it is not even close to precise. Even if you rotate the continent of Antarctica to try and fit the Peri Reis map (which would also negate that it is Antarctica) it still isn't a precise fit. It does, however, fit the coastline of South America quite well in comparison. We actually have threads on this forum demonstrating these facts!

Here's something else to consider: If Antarctica was just recently covered in ice in the last few hundred years, then that would mean more, not less, of the ocean's sea bed would be uncovered. Instead, we find the opposite as global warming is becoming known as a real concern (the ice is melting).

Has anyone else here read "The Destruction of Atlantis" by Frank Joseph

Yes, I have this book on my shelf, and found it entertaining. It offers a lot of starting points for research, but also a lot of circumstantial evidence that doesn't hold up to intense scrutiny.

[Saxoneer]

It would certainly give that Virgin Atlantic guy, Richard Bransen something to do with his time and money. Forget about space! Lets go underwater!

Considering our Government and NASA doesn't seem to want to get out there and explore space, we need people with vision like Richard Branson.

If we want to really explore the oceans it's going to take money and vision to create a decent sized research craft able to withstand the crushing pressures and capable of carryng people, perhaps then we may find Atlantis? I can't see any government willing to do that!

[Sunrisepony]

Quite the contrary, the government only wants Americans to believe they have no interest in exploring the great spance that is space. More realistically, they've been out there and doing stuff for over 60 years in secrecy. Or assumed secrecy at least anyway.

I think technology that will be revealed in the next 2-4 years will give anyone that learns how to use Anti-Gravity Fields and Force Field technology the ability to build a sea diving vessel of necessary prowess to prow the depths of the oceans and search them quite effectively. Part of the issue has along side funding, been that the PTB *know* there are megalithic sites out there in the depths of the ocean, that date back well past the 10,000 year mark and would force them to admit they've been wrong all along about our history here on earth. And, it would at this point create some serious trouble.

Btw, I read this interesting article, it said that Lemuria is a separate continent that existed in the Indian Ocean, while MU is the name of the continent that existed in the mid-pacific region. They had another name associated with "MU" but I can't remember exactly what that was, aside from it also being known as "The Motherland" according to the NAACALS.

[Moon]

I am thinking more and more that they need to explore the Atlantic Ridge area of undersea mountains. It is always possible they might find some ruins of antiquity in that area.

[Sunrisepony]

I think so too, I really wish I could find a copy of JJ's article on this very topic. It's got a lot about some expeditions etc that were done in the area of the mid-atlantic ridge.

[Saxoneer]

Wild theory...what if Stargate Atlantis wasn't too far out?

If Atlantis was a base of operations while the aliens were here on Earth, wouldn't it make sense that when they left they would take their base with them? An intelligent species wouldn't want to leave techology behind, imagine the problems that would cause?

Perhaps the reason no one has ever found Atlantis is because it isn't buried, sunk or flooded, it's because it isn't here anymore?

[mlauzon]

Wild theory...what if Stargate Atlantis wasn't too far out?

If Atlantis was a base of operations while the aliens were here on Earth, wouldn't it make sense that when they left they would take their base with them? An intelligent species wouldn't want to leave techology behind, imagine the problems that would cause?

The following was from an earlier post I made:

Also, I still think we'll find Atlantis in Antarctica, why, because it's the only actual land mass that is covered in water...frozen water.

Perhaps the reason no one has ever found Atlantis is because it isn't buried, sunk or flooded, it's because it isn't here anymore?

And, this one also goes more along the lines of what you are thinking, but in a different way:

Well, I've got a theory on that as well:

Atlantis was not on Earth, but is Humanity's original home planet in this galaxy or another galaxy, and Noah's Ark -- for want of a better name -- was actually an interstellar or intergalactic ship that brought us here to colonise a new planet.

[Sunrisepony]

But Antarctica isn't the only one covered in frozen water, so is Greenland, and taking into consideration the Crustal Shifts, Polar Axis Shifts, and everything else. If by some slim chance... Atlantis/Posid wasn't that huge landmass out there that sat over the mid-atlantic ridge which do to the seismic instability of the area would explain a sudden sinking. Specially when the water melting from the Canadian glaciers was released. And not to say they haven't found evidence supporting this to be fact, it just has been suppressed / hidden by Western Orthodox Theorist in the interest of protecting their throats and Western/Eastern Religions. Greenland would still by far make much more logical sense than Antarctica.

As for a space ship, it's possible...I've heard of and read about "mother ships" being that big. But, there has been megalithic finds stretching through the Caribbean and also off the coast of France and Spain that indicate the existence of a large island/Continental land mass. And geological evidence, etc.

[Corcaigh]

sorry, I didn't read every word of every post, but wasn't there supposed to be a map of Atlantis, made by Plato(?) that very closely resembles the outline of the land mass of Antarctica?

Other than that, it's in the Pegasus Galaxy

[Saxoneer]

As for a space ship, it's possible...I've heard of and read about "mother ships" being that big. But, there has been megalithic finds stretching through the Caribbean and also off the coast of France and Spain that indicate the existence of a large island/Continental land mass. And geological evidence, etc.

I agree Sunrise, mine was one theory amongst many and until proof is found, we'll all carry on theorising!

Other than that, it's in the Pegasus Galaxy

In fact Corcaigh, the last time I saw Atlantis, it was sitting in the middle of San Francisco Bay!

[mlauzon]

But Antarctica isn't the only one covered in frozen water, so is Greenland, and taking into consideration the Crustal Shifts, Polar Axis Shifts, and everything else.

Be that as it may, Antarctica is the only landmass covered by kilometres thick ice, remember we only see the tips of mountains, we need to somehow eventually try to get to the actual earth under the ice.

[Sunrisepony]

And there are accurate maps of Antarctica without ice, and show absolutely no megalithic sites... I can say with almost 100% certainty it is no more Antarctica than it would be Santarini/Thera. Nor is it the only landmass covered with a ton of ice, like I said...so is Greenland. Which is a lot less explored than our southern ice continent. No accounts of Atlantis talk about a river splitting through the two halves of the continent either, and we know for a fact there is a river that splits through the almost direct center of Antarctica.

[Moon]

One reason I am looking at the Atlantic Ridge is the mountains would of made perfect places for cities and ports to be built. They would of been easy to defend and also perfect for sea farers and trade. The higher land would of been perfect for lookouts and the valleys good for agriculture.

[Corcaigh]

In fact Corcaigh, the last time I saw Atlantis, it was sitting in the middle of San Francisco Bay!

I, however, refuse to acknowledge the existence of Seasons 4 and 5 of SGA, so Atlantis is still in the Pegasus galaxy, on Lantia, Carson is the doctor and Elizabeth is fine!!

[mlauzon]

And there are accurate maps of Antarctica without ice, and show absolutely no megalithic sites... I can say with almost 100% certainty it is no more Antarctica than it would be Santarini/Thera. Nor is it the only landmass covered with a ton of ice, like I said...so is Greenland. Which is a lot less explored than our southern ice continent. No accounts of Atlantis talk about a river splitting through the two halves of the continent either, and we know for a fact there is a river that splits through the almost direct center of Antarctica.

The only maps show the coastline of Antarctica. You know, things get lost in translation and word of mouth, so you won't convince me otherwise, I am sticking to the fact that if Atlantis is on Earth it'll be found in Antarctica, and if it's not on Earth, then Atlantis was another planet, our original home.

[Sunrisepony]

I guess this is one place we'll have to agree to dissagree, because I don't agree with you at all. The substantial hard physical, geological etc evidence and historical accounts from multiple cultures through out the world point it to being in the mid-atlantic range, no where near Antarctica.

[Saxoneer]

North pole,Mediterranean,Crete,Santorini,off the east coast of Cyprus,Sardinia,Malta,near Cape Spartel,Troy,Tantalis,Andalucia,Ponza,BlackSea,Finland,Ireland,Indonesia,India,Sri Lanka,Mid-Atlantic,Azores Islands,Bahama Bank,Caribbean,Isla de la Juventud near Cuba and Antarctica.

These are all places where Atlantis is thought to be, oh and let's not forget Greenland for Sunrise and the Pegasus Galaxy for Corcaigh.

Of course Plato describes Atlantis as being beyond the Pillars of Hercules, was that description from the point of view of where he was sitting looking west or was it a general term?

I guess when he wrote down his description of Atlantis he never imagined that people in 2011 would still be trying to find the location. If, as some people think, it was his imagination, an hoax, then it has to be the biggest of all time. On the other hand, if it wasn't, then what an enigma he set in motion!

[mlauzon]

I guess this is one place we'll have to agree to dissagree, because I don't agree with you at all. The substantial hard physical, geological etc evidence and historical accounts from multiple cultures through out the world point it to being in the mid-atlantic range, no where near Antarctica.

Beyond the Pillars of Hercules can point anywhere....

[Saxoneer]

Beyond the Pillars of Hercules can point anywhere....

This is true, but then look at it from Plato's point of view, how much of the world would he have known beyond the pillars?

[Sunrisepony]

Exactly, but Plato wasn't the origin of the story. Solon got it from the walls in Ramsey's Hall Of Victory, some things were obviously miss-translated due to the incompatibility between Greek and Egyptian time measurement methods. But as I said all evidence out there including geological etc, and all evidence from OTHER tribes and cultures through out the world places the island/continent in the mid-atlantic. There's a documentary they keep airing on History Channel called I think "Finding Atlantis" and this one guy is trying to place it in the Denova (sp?) Mud Flats of Spain, which is a very logical and plausible explanation. They've found some pretty solid evidence so far to at least lead the area to maybe if nothing else be an extension of the Atlantian Empire.

If we're for even one second suppose to believe the lies that Western Orthodox Theorist put forward, Antarctica was and has always been for MILLIONS of years covered in massive layers of ice, which would again illiminate it. It's Not Antarctica. There's not even a small chance of it.

[Gea]

Sorry but i think the Nazi's beat us to it over 70 years ago, check southpole expidition 38-39 newschwabenland antartica had alot of attnt among powers lead up to and post war...

[Sunrisepony]

There's a underground Nazi/German Military base in Antarctica, but not one of history's most infamous lost cities/continents.

[Gea]

Southpole is where the new Australia will be

[Moon]

There's a underground Nazi/German Military base in Antarctica, but not one of history's most infamous lost cities/continents.

Sorry but i think the Nazi's beat us to it over 70 years ago, check southpole expidition 38-39 newschwabenland antartica had alot of attnt among powers lead up to and post war...

The problem of Nazi Germany having a base in Antarctica is the logistics required to support such a base. I would not be surprised if they sent expeditions there, but they would not be able to maintain a base once the war started. They were fighting a three front war (Soviet Union, UK and North Africa) and trying to protect sea routes to get in desperately needed supplies. Add to that resistance groups blowing up bridges and transport routes to disrupt the flow of supplies and fuel needed to run the country. Any resources would of been put to use to the war effort and not Antarctica.

[Sunrisepony]

Apparently though this base was built either during or just post World War 2, and maybe based on speculation of current "public" known technology it might be difficult to maintain a base in such harsh conditions. But, if you consider all the bases that were built here in the united states and the amount of technology they likely had then and specially now with hydroponics etc. And, not one war at least other than the cold war, in around 100yrs has actually been a "real" war. The planet has been pretty much ruled and controlled by 9 different families for a very long time, these wars are just done to keep the majority of humanity off track and from really figuring stuff out. And, to move money around between families along with some small amount of population maintenance. We absorbed many German Scientist, you know someone came forward recently and said that Hitler survived until sometime in the 1960's under an assumed name. So could they have gone down there and built a base during the WW2 or even just slightly after? Heck yeah. Even Logistically it still could have been done. To many people underestimate the Germans and the technology, and man power they had at the time. Hitler was only trying to do then, what the NWO movement was trying to do now, install a global dictatorship. It just happened to fail then, and it failed this time too.

[Gea]

I do now know much about the nazi's and antartica just that they went on an expedition. post the war allied powers stuck around for another 12-13 years atleast and vital countries established post.... isreal1947 india1947 etc etc

http://siriusnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/neuschwabenland_02.jpg

and the deeper you look.....

what was that old movie qoute??

KevinSpacey/KeyzerSoze "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist"

[Moon]

There are some researchers who believe the Greek island of Crete is what Plato meant when he wrote of Atlantis. New excavations point to the fact the Cretans were much more advanced with indoor plumbing (including flushing toilets) and the higher artistic style usually associated with the area.

Add to that the fact Crete was destroyed by a cataclysmic volcanic explosion and we do have a possible candidate.

Many want Atlantis to be a very futuristic style civilization with crystal lasers and flying vehicles, but that may not be the case. Others seem to think it was somewhere beyond the European and African continents, but there is no evidence of such a place yet.

I do think Bimini Road is one of the possible locations for what could be considered Atlantis, but that would mean it existed about 3000 years ago and not the usual 10,000 years or so given by some researchers.

One thing is for certain, the search will go on as we get better methods to penetrate the sea and ground looking for ancient ruins.

[Sunrisepony]

There's that one guy that did a documentary special thing on "Finding Atlantis" and speculates some mud flats on the south western coast of Spain might be where Atlantis lays. Phillip Coppens wrote a very strong and solid article debunking the whole idea of placing Atlantis on Crete, and somewhere else I read that The Minoan's were an post Atlantis survivor's city, people. I find it fascinating how back then Minoan's could have flushing toilets, and all that. And it took until a good 100 or so years ago for America to get them. Ironic.

[yerock III stoneman]

In many instances, a clue to the location of a country, continent, or kingdom like Atlantis lies within it's name. Sometimes it's hidden, sometimes it's obvious. Imho, the studies on the etymology of the words Atlantis or Atlas are inconclusive. .... Is it possible that the main letters: A T L S - were used to represent the fixed signs of the zodiac? A - Aquarius, T - Taurus, L - Leo, S - Scorpio. ... If so, could this information in some way help to identify the true location and time of Atlantis? ... As above, so below.

[Sunrisepony]

That's a interesting thought and quite possible. I know there was this one article that speculated that The Great Spinx was built to represent the four fixed signs and that always in the Age Of Leo is when the great global catastrophes accure, and there for it was built combining those four and facing the constalation of Leo to remind us of it.

[Moon]

There's that one guy that did a documentary special thing on "Finding Atlantis" and speculates some mud flats on the south western coast of Spain might be where Atlantis lays. Phillip Coppens wrote a very strong and solid article debunking the whole idea of placing Atlantis on Crete, and somewhere else I read that The Minoan's were an post Atlantis survivor's city, people. I find it fascinating how back then Minoan's could have flushing toilets, and all that. And it took until a good 100 or so years ago for America to get them. Ironic.

I do think Crete was an interesting place and does show they had a very high level of knowledge. This does bring the question of why we went downhill and lost the knowledge and where did the Cretans get it?

[yerock III stoneman]

Why did we lose the knowledge of Atlantis possessed by ancients? Have disasters of one type or another forever erased advances of man in the past? ... The inscription on Column 8 of the Great Hall in the Temple of Rameses at Karnak, Egypt, talks about "the loss of a drowned continent in the Western Ocean". This Western Ocean was well known before Plato and actually recorded by Herodotus as the Atlantis Sea. ... If Atlantis does stand for the fixed constellations, that knowledge was lost long ago. Or was it? The Mayan calendar ends December 21,2011. The dawning of the age of Aquarius. The fixed constellations are about to rule the solstices and equinoxes again(due to precession), marking a framework in time. And space. So, if the Atlanteans mapped the sky, what about the earth? ... Remember that old and all so important saying: As above, so below.

[Sunrisepony]

I do think Crete was an interesting place and does show they had a very high level of knowledge. This does bring the question of why we went downhill and lost the knowledge and where did the Cretans get it?

The Cretans would have likely got it from the Atlantians, or the other explanation that I've found that sounds most logical is that the Cretans were (if not survivors or extension of Atlantis Empire) an post Osirian Empire race. Either way though, they are still extensions of the Aramu Muru empire, and in the articles I've posted recently they talk about where some of the advanced knowledge and connection humans have to the star people. Humans evolved out of MU/The Motherland, and what I've seen written, Lemuria/MU/The Motherland was inhabited by Extraterrestrials and so was Atlantis, and the Empires and humans went from there.

@ Corey
Pretty much what i've been trying to point out all along, that Solon got the "story" of Atlantis from Ramsey's Hall of Victory and translated it before giving it to Plato to use in his dialogs. Plus the historical documents on The Empire of Aramu Muru talks about Atlantis and isn't even anything close or related to Plato, a completely separate account. But, you have to take into consideration there has for hundreds of years been information and knowledge that has been suppressed by Western Orthodox Theorist and the groups like the Freemasons, the Illuminati, and all their associated groups. In the deep interest of profit and control/enslavement of humanity. I am thankful that Giorgio, Phillip, and Erich among others are trying with such efforts to at least bring out some of the truth about our history and past knowledge. Much was infact lost though when the great library of Alexandria was burned I think first by Julius Cesar, then the Muslims, and a couple other groups because the ancient knowledge contained in there went against the doctrination of their belief systems.

[Moon]

Why did we lose the knowledge of Atlantis possessed by ancients? Have disasters of one type or another forever erased advances of man in the past? ... The inscription on Column 8 of the Great Hall in the Temple of Rameses at Karnak, Egypt, talks about "the loss of a drowned continent in the Western Ocean". This Western Ocean was well known before Plato and actually recorded by Herodotus as the Atlantis Sea. ... If Atlantis does stand for the fixed constellations, that knowledge was lost long ago. Or was it? The Mayan calendar ends December 21,2011. The dawning of the age of Aquarius. The fixed constellations are about to rule the solstices and equinoxes again(due to precession), marking a framework in time. And space. So, if the Atlanteans mapped the sky, what about the earth? ... Remember that old and all so important saying: As above, so below.

Colin Wilson wrote about the Mayans and noted the peoples learned by rote and did not improve on their technology. They had wheels on their toys, but did not utilize the wheel to move around goods in the cities. I asked why in some other forums and either was ignored or told it is not up to archeologists to ask why.

Ancient Egypt had many abilities that were lost such as performing surgeries. The Romans were the last to practice using surgery until the 19th Century. Why did we lose all the knowledge? This is a puzzling question and has many theories as to why.

Then the question should be: How did the knowledge develop and who developed it?

The above is the main reason I do think there was a very ancient civilization which many call Atlantis, Mu etc (probably more than one).