Land of the Giants

[allspark]

How do we reconcile with the fact that Normal size humans were coexisting with giants ?
How do giants fit with the existing paradigm of evolution ?

There are many fake photo's around the internet, so be careful


This is the stone tablet of shamash (whos name pops up in the flood story)from the ancient city of Sippar.




Looking at the dimensions of the images, there appears to be a similarity in proportion

Some have said that homo sapiens evolved from Giganopithecus by way of Meganthropus and Pithecanthropus. Each species being smaller than the previous.
How long would that have taken ?
This is where i think the 'intervention' into species takes a mysterious turn. Does nature produce so many different types unaided ? How many failed attempts does it take nature to get it right ? It's all a little bit suspicious that nature alone is making all these adjustments. I don't buy it.
Any thoughts on these giants ?
some background reading for those who wish to familiarise themselves with this subject...... the established view.

http://creation.com/giants-in-the-land-an-assessment-of-gigantopithecus-and-meganthropus

Cremo & Thompson cover this at length and is worth reading if your interested.
Sitchins 'There were Giants Upon the Earth' is a great book about all this.

[Ace Rimmer]

4,500 year old pendant from Turkey



Check out this website sometime, I love this guy’s website, loads of giant info there.

http://stevequayle.com/

But I was also just thinking if something happens to us and in many thousand of years from now somebody finds let’s say the Lincoln Monument, are they going to think we had this big giant man as one of our leaders ?

But I agree carvings, where we see a little human coming up to the knees of a bigger being, they could be giants.

[Sunrisepony]

I think this is another time, aside from Alien Intervention when we need to look beyond the blinder infused influence of Western Orthodox Theorist and just look at the evidence.

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In 1969, construction workers excavating a site for a factory near Terracina, sixty miles
from Rome, bulldozed into a pit containing a row of fifty tiled coffins. Each coffin contained a
skeleton, all of which were between 6 and a half and 8 feet tall. State archaeologist Dr. Luigi
Cavallucci, who analyzed the find, noted that the bones were remarkably well preserved, and all
the specimens had been males, and in their forties when they died. The conservative suggestion
that was that this had been A group of special Roman legionaries, chosen for their height. But
there were a number of problems with this theory: First, the skeletons were not abnormally tall,
due to pituitary overgrowth; rather, the bones were well proportioned and healthy--meaning they
belonged to a truly giant race, and not of short Roman stock. Second, no Latin inscriptions were
found with the remains to date them to the Roman period. In fact, no inscriptions were dug up
whatsoever, leaving the age of the remains very much in question. And third, as researcher John
T. Battle noted: “Roman soldiers were buried with their uniforms, armor, and weapons. Their
military trappings were placed beside them in their coffins. But there was nothing in these
coffins except the bones.”

Without a doubt the highest concentration of giant bones and giant artifacts are to be
found in North America--which sheds light on a peculiar aspect of the forgotten history of this
continent. The Desert Weekly of Salt Lake City, Utah, reported in the issue or March 14, 1891, a
discovery made by workmen digging the foundation of a new hotel in Crittendon, Arizona—
about 50 miles southeast of Tucson. Eight feet below the surface the workers came upon a large
hardened clay sarcophagus and, prying the lid open, they found a granite case containing
the skeleton of a man 12 feet tall. The unknown giant had had long hair, and wore a bird-shaped
headdress. Unfortunately, by the time investigators arrived to examine the find, the bones had
crumbled to dust. About that same time and in the same area--in an abandoned Indian cliff
dwelling south of Winslow, Arizona a cowboy came upon an enormous human skull. Author
Jesse J. Benton, who recorded the incident in his book Cows By the Trail1 tells how the
cowhand put his own normal-sized stetson on the giant skull--and, in comparison, he reported, it
looked like one of those tiny hats that merrymakers wear on New Year's.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/giants_on_earth.pdf
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If I remember correctly, Hatcher has a video on Youtube where he shows some genuine Giant Skulls in comparison to average sized human skulls and talks about their origins.

Here's another article about Giants.
Giants On This Earth by Boyd Rice
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_watchers08.htm

Even Erich Von Daniken talks about Giants in a couple of his books. And I remember reading about a huge mass grave of Giants skeletons being found on the bank of a river in New York, New England area. But anything found in the area would be difficult at best to properly carbon date do to the Nuclear Explosions that have taken place in the past century, unless this is taken into account. Also I've read that many of the Native American tribal leaders that were most historically noted were of extremely tall height. Many Native American histories talk of giants. Most locally to me, the Indian tribes of Death Valley California, talk about their tribal history of interacting with the Giants from the area... there are caves in the Panamint Mountains that contain Giant Skeletons and related artifacts. Anyone can go up and ask the tribal leaders, they will take you there.

[allspark]

4,500 year old pendant from Turkey



Check out this website sometime, I love this guy’s website, loads of giant info there.

http://stevequayle.com/

great site Metaluna, i hadn't seen that before, although i suspect it was the original source of the pictures i found and posted. great find

[Polaris]

there was Sumerian cuneiform that recorded the origin of some giants.
There was a rogue group of aliens that started a colony on their own (think human female harem)
When they (the human women) started having kids, they turned out to be giants.
The same was true for other Sumerian cuneiform records of 1st generation alien-human hybrids...

It would certainly be easier to build those megalithic structures with a giant labor force...
The aliens from the 7th planet are not dummies!

[Moon]

It could be the carvings are of royalty or gods and their statures were higher than that of the commoners.

For a human to of been 20 feet tall, there would have to be a very thick bone structure to keep the person alive and able to move. They would also of had to eat an incredible amount of food back in the day in order to stay alive. If there are any biologists here, I would like to read some arguments in favor of giant human beings 20 or more feet tall.

Otherwise, I will remain skeptical that giant persons walked the Earth.

I also checked on Steven Quayle's website and it is full of speculation but no evidence for the alleged finds of huge skeletons. His site seems to be of a Christian bend and full of the usual conspiracy theory links. I would trust the research a bit more without those.

[Sunrisepony]

I think Max, you might enjoy reading the two links i provided, the first one is actually a whole book of various Giant Skeletal finds. And, the second one is pretty interesting too.

[Moon]

I have read many books by good authors who found many old articles of such finds of giants. While I do not totally discount them, none of the skeletons are known to exist today. Either they are missing, stolen or the original story was either a hoax or just wrong.

I have a few Frank Edward's books on the subject of mysteries and he also did the same about giants.

Again, I am not throwing out any claims of giant 20 foot plus humans walking the Earth, but there is no real physical evidence they did.

That is another reason I think someone who has a degree in biology can tell us the science behind this if it is possible a human being can actually grow that large and live.

I do think questions such as bone structure, metabolism and other areas also need to be addressed if we are to take a serious look at this one theory.

[Sunrisepony]

But if they were aliens or even hybrids of humans and aliens, then their nutritional requirements, etc would be completely different and likely incalculable. We could base some assumptions but they would only be that.

[allspark]

That is another reason I think someone who has a degree in biology can tell us the science behind this if it is possible a human being can actually grow that large and live.

I do think questions such as bone structure, metabolism and other areas also need to be addressed if we are to take a serious look at this one theory.

Two good points max, i don't think there is enough information at present to make a case for or against. Good fun looking at it though.

[Moon]

But if they were aliens or even hybrids of humans and aliens, then their nutritional requirements, etc would be completely different and likely incalculable. We could base some assumptions but they would only be that.

It is possible if they were alien to have a very strong and light bone structure. But there are no specimens on hand to test the DNA which is the major problem. I cannot rule out anything, but I must ask these questions of nutrition, bone structure etc so we can find out if such giants living on the Earth was possible.

The Starchild Skull has a very light bone structure and yet it is twice as strong as the adult human skull. This would be what we can base the skeleton on when those genome tests are complete. I am not against the idea of giants, but we do need some strong evidence other than hearsay and some hoax photos on the internet.

[allspark]

So are the bible stories not good enough as proof ? Or the stories of giants from other 'religious writings'
After all, if we are to believe all the stories of flying chariots of fire etc etc... why are the stories of giants any different ? moreover, they contain more detailed information.
In Deuteronomy there are measurements of a huge bed used by the king of Bashan.
Did anyone write down the dimensions of a flying chariot of the gods ?

[Don Morace]

Hi Folks,Don here with a thought.In a society of people who average 4.5- 5.5 feet in height a person 6-6.5 feet tall would appear to be a giant.Perhaps the Annunaki were just tall folks!!And only after taking human women for mates did human stature become taller.Don out..........................

[phoenix]

In an ancient text of the Jews, we read an astonishing description of some of these gigantic Amorites whom the Israelites conquered. In Buber's Tanhuma, Devarim 7, the text tells us of a Rabbi Johnanan ben Zakkai's encounter with the Roman Emperor Hadrian. This event occurred in about A.D. 135, soon after the Roman victory in the Bar Kochba war, when the Jews rebelled against the Romans. The text reads:

"The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, 'I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.' Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, 'Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.' Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, 'When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us'" (quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962).

The episode above happened for only 1876 years ago. A huge amount of other ancient texts tells similar stories about real huge giants roaming the earth in ancient times. So where are they buried and where are their bone remains?

Could it perhaps be that the the mainstream establishment have covered these findings up all these years? What would happen if the political correct establishment that rules the world would have to admit such a finding to the public? What do you think would happen? They would have to admit that the Bible was right about this. Then what would happen? People would start to ask. What more could the Bible be right about.

Yes, the entire evolution theory would be at stake. That’s what it’s all about. We all know how the political correct mainstream establishment works. If they don’t succeed to redicule people with unproper meanings and findings, they push such people out of the good society and makes sure they don’t get any jobs or money to do any research, or they plant accusations that the finding probably are a hoax while they engage a multitude of “mainstream” scientists to sabotage both the person and his theories or findings. Another method is merely just to ignore the political incorrect persons theory or findings entirely.

We all also know there are aliens and UFO’s also out there. They are covered up for the same reason. The truth has been a serious problem for thousands of years and still are. The ruling establishment would never admit anything. Even if aliens in an UFO lands on the lawn in front of the white house in broad daylight or they dig up giant remains in the middle of Washington , they still wouldn’t admit it.

Some time ago archeologists discovered remains of several white men on the shore of Columbia river in Washington called The Kennewick man that dated 9300 years back. Those remains are still hidden from the public. What else have they hidden? About the Kennewick man:

"The skull of a male, discovered on the shore of the Columbia River in Washington and called Kennewick Man, has generated a flurry of press publicity over the past two years. It has been dated at around 9300 years old by the radiocarbon method. Anthropologists who have examined the remains were struck that it shows features that relate it to caucasoids ("white men"). One of the experts who studied the find noted, "This skeleton would be almost impossible to match among any of the Western American Indian tribes." Under U.S. laws governing the handling of ancient skeletal remains, a nearby Indian tribe has claimed this specimen as one of their ancestors and has blocked further tests; they plan to rebury it. However, certain studies had already been accomplished before the Army Corps of Engineers, in whose custody it remains, put it off limits pending settlement of a suit by prominent scientists to permit further study. The Corps proceeded to bury the site as part of routine flood control activities despite criticism, and a lawsuit, by scientists. Now other ancient skulls, from the Wizard Beach and and Spirit Cave sites in Nevada, have been dug out of museum storage and restudied. They date to the same period and likewise prove not to be "typical American Indians." Forensic reconstructions of the appearance of the three specimens show, in addition to certain relationships to modern Amerindians, notable similarities to people of European extraction. Two researchers who reported on these results at the 1998 annual meeting of physical anthropologists, which happened to be in Salt Lake City, concluded that there must have been several waves of migrations from the Old World to America by 10,000 years ago rather than just one or two out of northern Asia as claimed by most anthropologists until recently.1 It remains to be learned why only "Indian" characteristics seem to have survived in later inhabitants of the area.

Today, Kennewick Man is stored in numerous specially designed boxes in the Burke Museum's nondescript-looking, but electronically secure basement. The museum is mum on his exact location for security reasons."

regards
Phoenix

[cRush]

Each coffin contained a skeleton, all of which were between 6 and a half and 8 feet tall.

I don't mean to point out the obvious, but we have adults living to be those heights today. Adults exceeding 6'5" is probably in the 3-4% of the U.S. population. That is a considerable portion that we are regarding as "giants" here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height (Check out the table of average height).

they found a granite case containing the skeleton of a man 12 feet tall. The unknown giant had had long hair, and wore a bird-shaped headdress. Unfortunately, by the time investigators arrived to examine the find, the bones had crumbled to dust.

Again, I don't mean to be a complete Debbie downer here, but it seems awfully convenient that the bones had crumbled to dust before anyone credible was able to arrive to verify the find. I would think any archaeological expedition would have a photographer at the ready in the event of a great find, but perhaps they weren't anticipating one that would have such a short life. Still, without any hard evidence, we are just going on these people's word that they found what they say they found. I could just as easily state that I saw a Sasquatch running through my back yard, and shook hands with him, but without some type of evidence, who's going to believe me?

[Sunrisepony]

That Information was from the people that did the research for the books and wrote them, not my own words. Don't treat them as such. I studied the basics of forensic anthropology for a while when I had considered becoming a Forensic Anthropologist, and while it might be "convenient" for preventing the research / study purposes that they crumbled to dust preventing further study, it's not that that doesn't happen, it happens in almost all cases of skeletal remains not properly prepared that are thousands of years old then exposed to the elements. Bones that old that aren't properly prepared in the fashion of mummification will crumble to dust when any movement is applied. And please stop with the whole wakapedia links , that site is unreliable for unbiased information. Even the moderator Max tried to point that out to you.

There are adults living to be even 7 feet tall, heck I even knew when I worked and lived in LA, one guy that was 6'8" and built like a brick house, the other was/is 6'6" and practically skin and bones. It's not unheard of to have humans reaching that point and height these days most Pro-Basket Ball Players are around the 7' range. But, I think the point being here? That Western Orthodox Theorist are claiming that humans? started out rather short and have through the process of evolution grown to these heights. And, yet there are abnormalities of these giant skeletons being discovered over the centuries, and Native American Tribes, and Foreign Tribes that have many many stories in their histories of these giants that range on average of anywhere from 7' - 12'. There was a race of redheaded women found in Asia I think it was and maybe some over here in North America that were unusually tall for the time period, according to WOT's, but if taken into consideration that Giants likely existed at the time, then they're not so "out of the norm". Most reports of the various Alien Races that are out there describe most of the different species in average height from 6'5" to about 9', that's why I speculated that maybe the giants had a higher percentage of Alien blood or maybe are Aliens making it difficult to again hold these skeletons and their existence with out undeniable proof to earthly constrictions.

[cRush]

That Information was from the people that did the research for the books and wrote them, not my own words. Don't treat them as such. I studied the basics of forensic anthropology for a while when I had considered becoming a Forensic Anthropologist, and while it might be "convenient" for preventing the research / study purposes that they crumbled to dust preventing further study, it's not that that doesn't happen, it happens in almost all cases of skeletal remains not properly prepared that are thousands of years old then exposed to the elements. Bones that old that aren't properly prepared in the fashion of mummification will crumble to dust when any movement is applied. And please stop with the whole wakapedia links , that site is unreliable for unbiased information. Even the moderator Max tried to point that out to you.

As I stated before, Wikipedia is not a totally unreliable source of information. In fact, it has quite a lot of thoroughly researched and scholarly accepted information. Again, as I have stated, it is one of the best places to find references to scholarly and credible articles and research. If you don't trust what's on Wikipedia's site, then follow the references to see if they corroborate what is posted there. I think even Maxmercury will agree with me on these points. While Wikipedia isn't 100% full proof, it certainly is a lot more credible than the tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nut working out of his mom's basement who can write absolutely anything he wants on his personal website proclaiming absolute evidence of alien cover-ups. At least Wikipedia allows for the general public to moderate it's contents. That's less than I can say for 95% of the rest of the sites posted here which are 100% biased by the author presenting the material.

That Western Orthodox Theorist are claiming that humans? started out rather short and have through the process of evolution grown to these heights.

You overgeneralize too much. You can't even chalk this one up to "Western Orthodox Theorists" as this is only one small facet of theories pertaining to the development of humanity's varying height genetics.

And, yet there are abnormalities of these giant skeletons being discovered over the centuries, and Native American Tribes, and Foreign Tribes that have many many stories in their histories of these giants that range on average of anywhere from 7' - 12'.

What other evidence for 12' humans exists besides the words of ill-prepared archaeologists who didn't even document the opening of an ancient sarcophagus, knowing full well that the remnants inside would most likely disintegrate before their very eyes when exposed to oxygen? Please post it here.

Here's another link for you from the accursed Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantism. You will see that it is entirely possible that these ancient giants growth hormones could have been influenced by their diets and environment in which they lived.

If you read about Anna Haining Bates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Haining_Bates, you will note that Gigantism was passed onto her children as well, though they did not survive birth.

Here is a listing of the Tallest people confirmed to have lived: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people.

Fossil records of a potentially 11' giant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_of_Castelnau

Gee, sure looks like Wikipedia is trying to oppress information concerning giants alright! Boycott them!

[allspark]

I think the best evidence to support the 'land of the giants' does indeed come from scriptures. I am reminded that Sitchins early work almost all comes from his interpretations of the bible and it's predecessors.
Perhaps if the middle east wasn't in the state it's in now, archeology may have found something by now..... but then again, no-one is looking are they. Even if they did find something, there is no guarantee it would reach the gerneral public. I just think we have to be lucky !

[Moon]

So are the bible stories not good enough as proof ? Or the stories of giants from other 'religious writings'
After all, if we are to believe all the stories of flying chariots of fire etc etc... why are the stories of giants any different ? moreover, they contain more detailed information.
In Deuteronomy there are measurements of a huge bed used by the king of Bashan.
Did anyone write down the dimensions of a flying chariot of the gods ?

I do not take the Bible as the source for all things true. While it is a good guide to start with, we have to keep in mind that embellishments, add-ons and other changes were done to the Bible as time went on.

We also have many fairy tales that speak of giants and an old time classic of Jack and the Beanstock. Does that mean it was real?

That is why I like to look for the real physical evidence to prove there were giants walking the Earth. It is also good if a biology major came on here to discuss the physical possibility of how a giant might exist on our planet.

Most of Sitchin's early work comes from Sumerian tablets. In his later works, he finds passages in the Bible to help with his claims. The main problem again is the physical evidence to support them. The other problem is the Bible borrowed heavily from Sumeria and other local cultures in the area (Noah's Flood being one story borrowed).

[cRush]

So are the bible stories not good enough as proof ? Or the stories of giants from other 'religious writings'
After all, if we are to believe all the stories of flying chariots of fire etc etc... why are the stories of giants any different ? moreover, they contain more detailed information.
In Deuteronomy there are measurements of a huge bed used by the king of Bashan.
Did anyone write down the dimensions of a flying chariot of the gods ?

I do not take the Bible as the source for all things true. While it is a good guide to start with, we have to keep in mind that embellishments, add-ons and other changes were done to the Bible as time went on.

We also have many fairy tales that speak of giants and an old time classic of Jack and the Beanstock. Does that mean it was real?

That is why I like to look for the real physical evidence to prove there were giants walking the Earth. It is also good if a biology major came on here to discuss the physical possibility of how a giant might exist on our planet.

Most of Sitchin's early work comes from Sumerian tablets. In his later works, he finds passages in the Bible to help with his claims. The main problem again is the physical evidence to support them. The other problem is the Bible borrowed heavily from Sumeria and other local cultures in the area (Noah's Flood being one story borrowed).

The earliest books of the Bible were written by Moses, right? That would place them post-Tower of Babel by quite awhile. It should be no surprise that many of the Moses written books of the Bible incorporate stories that are common in most early world cultures. If they really did descend from the Tower of Babel, then each culture's history would have shared a common beginning.

[allspark]

I do remember some parts from the bible from when i was forced to go to sunday school as a child, and this one seems apt at present regarding the bible.
"separate the wheat from the chaff."
Easier said than done though, eh ?

[Moon]

The earliest books of the Bible were written by Moses, right? That would place them post-Tower of Babel by quite awhile. It should be no surprise that many of the Moses written books of the Bible incorporate stories that are common in most early world cultures. If they really did descend from the Tower of Babel, then each culture's history would have shared a common beginning.

I do believe that Moses was Akhenaten which would put the age of the Bible at around 1350BCE or so depending on who was writing it. There are many good researchers out there who have made a compelling case that Akhenaten (who was a believer in monotheism) led his followers to what is now Israel. Did Moses/Akhenaten actually write the Bible, or did his later followers write it? Either way, that would make the Bible rather new when compared to some ancient Egyptian and Sumerian writings.

I do think using the Bible and other ancient scripts does help when trying to search for a city or monument, but they also have to get the earliest versions of the story for it to be the most accurate search.

Where did the earliest civilizations actually start? Some are now looking at the possibility it was Egypt, while others are looking at the coasts for an even earlier civilization.

What I am trying to say is the Old Testament is still considered a new kid on the block when it comes to written records.

[Augmented Ape]

Some really fascinating info, it seems as though Giants like dragons appear to be part of most if not all ancient cultures, the difference being that there is or was evidence. It is a crying shame that the "sceintific community" is NO such thing, being a bunck of back stabbing, sponsership obsessed high priests of unquestioning blind belief, or we would be having proper research into such things. Unfortunatey any scientist who goes anywhere near any of this stuff gets thier grant cut and are ridiculed out of town by their (controled) peers.(rant over)

Is there a list of cultures that have giants in thier myth tradition ? The Norse for one certainly believed they were real.

[Moon]

I do think many of the dragon myths come from people traveling around the world and coming into contact with the Komodo dragon. They are quite large and will eat anything they can catch with their very powerful jaws. They also have bacteria in their mouths which causes those who are bitten to die of many diseases so the dragons can find them and eat them.

Were there actual fire breathing dragons? I don't think so as it does not seem possible on how they could breathe or spew fire. But it is interesting to think any such creatures did exist. I am open minded about it, but it is on the low end of possibilities until some real evidence shows up.

[Gea]

You have to understand the foundation, we are a product of our environment, hence giant people come from giant environments or planets.....

Dont you think if me and you evolved on a planet thats 3x's the size of this earth, that we could only be 3x as taller.

Its all Relative.

"25 Years a Mason"

[Augmented Ape]

You have to understand the foundation, we are a product of our environment, hence giant people come from giant environments or planets.....

Dont you think if me and you evolved on a planet thats 3x's the size of this earth, that we could only be 3x as taller.

Its all Relative.

The thing is the bone density would have to be so much greater, there is debate about if giants could exist here for that reason, on a planet with stronger gravity it would be even more so, unless thier bones were of a different material, like the 'Starchild' skull for example

About Dragons (going off topic a bit, apologies ) the legends place them all over the world, not that voyagers saw them some where else. In the north of England where I come from, we have the 'Lambton Worm' for example, they also figure in the Arthurian legends.

[Gea]

You answered your own question..... it is appearant they can no longer survive here.....................

Whats changed??????????????

I am sorry that we are no longer on our big green paradise......

[Bob137]

When it comes to giants, some say they need proof. Well yes a lot has been destroyed by the Smithsonian, and other museums, but not all. You do have to actually travel to see them for yourself, since you do not trust the internet, (which by the way, I do not either), so if someone wants proof, drive to Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and you will find your proof if you do your research, and go visit these places that have these giant skeletons, some are only partial, but they are there, and not fakes. Also in regards to giants of today, I remember meeting two giants back in the early 80's at least 7 foot tall, both were supposedly from a Scandinavian country, but I suspected they were not even of this planet. For one, they were proportioned as anyone else is normally, two they did not look out of proportion at all as does all other people in the world that are around that tall. They were not lanky, (as being stretched), as is all others that I have seen whether in real life or on TB or the internet. Both seemed to be able to read everyone's mind they were around, and answered questions before they were even asked. The women around them were all just flabbergasted as though they were in the presence of Gods. The men seemed all afraid to be close to them. They also seemed to give off a faint glow about them. Now either there are strange Scandinavians hiding somewhere in the North, or they were not of this earth. I have not been able to find anywhere either in National Geo or on the internet, or in books anyone who looked as these do and were that big and tall and as well proportioned as Thor, that are alive today! I believe if they were of this earth they would have been on TV by now, and made famous, but no such thing has happened. Another funny thing about them was after they left the majority of the people could not even remember them, of what they looked like, or that they even met them, and talked with them, (as though some form of mind control was used for people to forget them). They did have a Scandinavian accent, but did also speak English. Personally when it comes to something so strange as giants, I had to go look for myself and when I traveled the Southwest many years ago on vacation, I found that there are many strange anomalies in this world that just do not fit in with the norm of what has been taught.

[Moon]

I also need proof that there are Sasquatches roaming around the wilderness areas. I do think it is possible for very tall humans eight or so feet tall to have existed as some still do. But the claims of persons twenty or more feet tall are the ones which need the most evidence to support.

I don't trust the internet, and I don't trust the museums either. It is a Catch-22 for many of us as photographs of giants are very easy to fake. Also, many supposed skeletal remains of giants can easily be faked as has been the case for many hoaxes about the missing link.

The first thing to then do is see if it is biologically possible for a human being to be twenty foot tall and lead a normal life without physical ailments. That would mean a lighter bone structure and other DNA differences than us humans. So if there are giants, they won't be human although they might look like us.

[dtwaters]

I also need good hard evidence proof for me to believe in something completely. I can show good hard evidence that Prehistoric Mound Builder Man know about the big sasqeuatches
or Bigfoot type of animal, or he was related to him. I found a 400lb est. left profile carved rock, showing the left head , shoulder, and hump back of a Bigfoot type animal. Shows a high rear
top of head and sloping face, long hair on the head, and body hair on the shoulder and hump back. I have never seen a animal like this , but I believe people who have are telling it like it is!
I also believe if you can not take a good dog and track a animal like this , it is like the old Indian Woman says, they can come and go at will. Will have my daughter upload a picture in the
near future.
Listen carefully and contribute what you can.
DT

[Inquiring Mind]

When it comes to giants, some say they need proof. Well yes a lot has been destroyed by the Smithsonian, and other museums, but not all. You do have to actually travel to see them for yourself, since you do not trust the internet, (which by the way, I do not either), so if someone wants proof, drive to Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and you will find your proof if you do your research, and go visit these places that have these giant skeletons, some are only partial, but they are there, and not fakes. Also in regards to giants of today, I remember meeting two giants back in the early 80's at least 7 foot tall, both were supposedly from a Scandinavian country, but I suspected they were not even of this planet. For one, they were proportioned as anyone else is normally, two they did not look out of proportion at all as does all other people in the world that are around that tall. They were not lanky, (as being stretched), as is all others that I have seen whether in real life or on TB or the internet. Both seemed to be able to read everyone's mind they were around, and answered questions before they were even asked. The women around them were all just flabbergasted as though they were in the presence of Gods. The men seemed all afraid to be close to them. They also seemed to give off a faint glow about them. Now either there are strange Scandinavians hiding somewhere in the North, or they were not of this earth. I have not been able to find anywhere either in National Geo or on the internet, or in books anyone who looked as these do and were that big and tall and as well proportioned as Thor, that are alive today! I believe if they were of this earth they would have been on TV by now, and made famous, but no such thing has happened. Another funny thing about them was after they left the majority of the people could not even remember them, of what they looked like, or that they even met them, and talked with them, (as though some form of mind control was used for people to forget them). They did have a Scandinavian accent, but did also speak English. Personally when it comes to something so strange as giants, I had to go look for myself and when I traveled the Southwest many years ago on vacation, I found that there are many strange anomalies in this world that just do not fit in with the norm of what has been taught.

Ohio historian Russ Hamilton offers up a compelling factoid:

"The first hint we had about the possible existence of an actual race of tall, strong, and intellectually sophisticated people, was in researching the Old Township and county records. Many of these were quoting from old diaries and letters that were combined, for posterity, in the 1800s from diaries going back to the 1700s. Some of these old county and regional history books contain real gems, because the people were not subjected to a rigid indoctrination about evolution and were astonished about what they found and honestly reported it."

--"The suppressed history of America" By Paul Schrag and Xavier Haze, paraphrased from Russ Hamiltons "A tradition of giants and ancient American warfare", pg. 6-13"

http://www.filesonic.com/file/1249697351

Fantastic post Bob. Simply on the law of averages, I've seen enough to conclude that there is more to know here. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Comparitively nothing has changed that much. Many abductees, contactees, eyewitnesses and former insiders still comment with great consistency on the gigantic stature of these same extra-terrestial/inner-terrestial/crypto-terrestial and inter-dimensional beings (particulary the reptilians) that the ancients wrote about universally:

http://www.whale.to/b/aliens.html

http://www.whale.to/b/milabs_h.html

I also implore people here to google John Wesley Powell and the Smithsonian's Bureau of American Ethnology. Confiscating, destroying, hiding, misplacing and ignoring controversial evidence that challenged official establishment history, particularly that of evolution and isolationism, was common practice and at one time, company policy. This deceit I'm beyond certain still continues to some extent today. As Voltaire said, "History is the lie commonly agreed upon". Childress's classic "Archeological coverups" article makes for an excellent primer into these issues of historical sabotage:

http://www.paulcilwa.com/Metaphysics/Archaeology/index.asp

Some very interesting accounts, mostly journal entries and written letters chronicling encounters with men of abnormal gigantic stature, from early explorers of the America's:

The first chronicled sighting occurred in 1520, when the Portuguese explorer Magellan anchored his ships in the harbour of San Julian. On going ashore, he and his crew encountered a giant of a man, nearly ten feet tall and with the 'voice like a bull'. Enquiries suggested that he belonged to a tribe of giants who lived nearby. Magellan and his men apparently captured two specimens, intending to take them back to Europe. He shipped them aboard and set sail, but they died before the return journey was completed. (1)

Sir Francis Drake, who passed through San Julian in 1578, mentions that he saw two men who stood nine feet tall, and in the years that followed similar reports were made by other explorers such as Pedro Sarmiento, Tome Hernandez, Anthony Knyvet and Sebald de Weert all claim to have laid eyes on the South American giants. (1)

In 1615, two more travellers, Jacob le Maire and Wilhelm Schouten, recorded the fact that they had discovered a pair of human skeletons, each nine feet in length. (1)

By 1700, the giants seemed to have moved away from San Julian, and the next official record places them at Valdivia, Chile. In 1712, the Spanish authorities there filed repeated reports of a race of giants living in the wild interior, not many miles from the town. (1)

The last sighting seems to have taken place in 1764, when Commodore Byron, grandfather of famous poet, saw them at Cabo Virgines. (1)

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/giants.htm

An account from Spanish conquistador Cabeza De Vaca written during his Florida expedition:

"When we attempted to cross the large lake, we came under heavy attack from many giant Indians concealed behind trees. Some of our men were wounded in this conflict for which the good armor they wore did not avail. The Indians we had so far seen are all archers. They go naked, are large of body, and appear at a distance like giants. They are of admirable proportions, very spare and of great activity and strength. The bows they use are as thick as the arm, of eleven or twelve palms in length, which they discharge at two hundred paces with so great precision that they miss nothing."

--Cabeza De Vaca, "Spanish explorers in the southern United States" pg. 31-32; Bourne, "A narrative of De Soto's expedition"

http://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/cdv/rel.htm

The 8 foot 6 inch tall (2.6 metres) Roman giant: Emperor Maximinus the 1st, Ca. AD 173-AD 238:

Maximinus' humble birth occurred about A.D. 173, in Thrace (modern Bulgaria). The son of a Getae, he spent his earliest years as a shepherd, growing to a height of eight feet six inches. Yet for all his size and strength, he might have remained an obscure peasant had not the Emperor Septimius Severus, in 202, stopped in Thrace on his return from Asia. It so happened that the birthday of Severus' younger son, Geta, fell at this time, and to celebrate that event the emperor sponsored some games for the public. When the Romans challenged the locals to a contest—to determine who was the best —the Thracians chose Maximinus to represent them. Without much effort, he threw sixteen of the emperor's strongest warriors in succession. Impressed, the Romans immediately enlisted him in the army. Three days later, the new recruit, seeing the emperor pass on horseback at a full gallop, caught up with him and kept the pace. The race between the giant on foot and the emperor on his horse went on for some distance, but Maximinus continued to run along-side Septimius. Wonder struck, the emperor challenged him to enter another wrestling match. Though much fatigued, Maximinus agreed. With Septimius looking on, he threw seven more of the emperor's toughest men, one after another. For this feat the emperor awarded him a gold collar and promoted him to the emperor's guard.

As a soldier, Maximinus proved himself as brave as he was strong. He also displayed a remarkable leadership ability. Because of these qualities, he rose rapidly through all the military ranks to take command of armies and the government of provinces. The giant so impressed the young emperor Alexander Severus that he elevated him to the position of tribune, with the rank of senator. He also appointed him supreme commander of the Roman armies.

Herodian says Alexander's new commander not only stood to a huge height but possessed a frightening look. Statues of Maximinus and coins minted with his image bear this out. Another Roman his-torian, Julius Capitolinus, describes his hands as so large that he used the bracelet of his wife, Caecilia Pauline, for a thumb-ring. The shoes he wore also measured a foot longer than the footwear of other men. Besides the feats of strength already mentioned above, Maximinus reportedly could, with one blow of his fist, knock out a horse's teeth. On occasion he also demonstrated he could outpull a chariot team. Capitolinus says that he daily ate forty pounds of meat and usually drank six gallons of wine.

http://stevequayle.com/Giants/W.Europe/W.Europe7.html

http://www.roman-empire.net/decline/maximinus.html

"Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago"--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[Corcaigh]

As a tall person myself (6ft2in) I'm always interested in the idea of an ancient race of giants!

I recall seeing a programme on TV years ago - I think on BBC2, where a guy was conducting "experiments", he kept fish of some sort in tanks and altered the settings to replicate the level of oxygen and temperature of the water in prehistoric times. The fish grew to huge sizes, much much bigger than the control group... he was theorising that the reason we don't have dinosaur sized animals around these days was something to do with the conditions being just right for giants to have existed millions of years ago.

[Moon]

One place of interest is the books of Frank Edwards who wrote about such topics in his paperback books. They can be found at libraries, yard sales and many online stores for relatively cheap.

I have a few of his books and he usually dedicates a chapter to giants and similar anomalies found on Earth. While I now question his fact checking skills, the entertainment value is great.

[Bob137]

Here is a new article I just found on Pravda; "Cemetery of Giant Creatures found in Central America", don't know if it is real or faked, but here it is:

A team of anthropologists found a mysterious burial in the jungle near the city of Kigali Rwanda (Central Africa). The remains belong to gigantic creatures that bear little resemblance to humans. Head of research group believes that they could be visitors from another planet who died as a result of a catastrophe. According to the scientists, they were buried at least 500 years ago. At first, researchers thought that they came across the remains of ancient settlements, but no signs of human life have been found nearby. The 40 communal graves had approximately 200 bodies in them, all perfectly preserved. The creatures were tall - approximately 7 feet. Their heads were disproportionately large and they had no mouth, nose or eyes. The anthropologists believe that the creatures were members of an alien landing, possibly destroyed by some terrestrial virus to which they had no immunity. However, no traces of the landing of the spacecraft or its fragments were discovered.
Also read: Mysterious giants inhabit Eurasian lakes
Part II of the article
This is not the first such finding. In the summer of 1937 a group of Chinese scientists led by Professor Chi Putei surveyed the caves of Mount Bayan-Kara-Ula. Inside they found skeletons with excessively large heads and puny bodies. Nearby there were 176 stone plates. In the center of each plate there was a hole from which a spiral groove spread out to the perimeter with some characters on it. In addition, the cave walls were covered with pictures of the rising sun, moon and stars, with many painted dots or small items, slowly approaching the mountains and the earth's surface. Experts in deciphering ancient written characters have been puzzled over the disclosure of the secret spirals from the cave Bayan-Kara-Ula for two decades. Finally, the professor of Beijing University Zum Umniu deciphered several inscriptions. The grooved letters narrated that approximately 12 thousand years ago some flying objects crashed in these mountains. Chinese archaeologists found a mention of the peoples who lived in the mountainous caves of Bayan-Kara-Ula.
A corpse of another "alien" was found by Turkish cavers. A mummy of the ice age was resting in a sarcophagus made of crystalline material. The height of the humanoid male creature did not exceed 1 meter 20 centimeters, his skin was light green, and he had large transparent wings on his sides. According to the researchers, in spite of the unusual appearance the creature looked more like a person rather than an animal. His nose, lips, ears, hands, feet, nails, were very similar to human. Only his eyes were very different, three times bigger than those of a human, and colorless, like reptile's eyes.
Not that long ago in one of the ancient Egyptian tombs a mummy of a man 2.5 meters tall was found. It had no nose or ears, and its mouth was very wide and had no tongue. According to archaeologist Gaston de Villars, the age of the Mummy is approximately 4 thousand years. It was buried as an Egyptian nobleman - carefully mummified and surrounded by servants, food and art objects designed for the afterlife. However, as it was discovered, not all objects around the finding belong to the Egyptian or even Earth's culture. For example, among the finds was a round polished metal disk covered with strange characters, a costume made of metal with the remnants of something resembling plastic shoes, and many stone tablets filled with images of stars, planets and strange machines. The Shrine where a strange mummy was found also looks unusual. The burial was made of the material unknown in antiquity. The stone was literally carved from the rock so that the walls were smooth, like polished marble. It looked as if it was cut by a laser. Incidentally, the stone's surface was fused. The tomb was decorated with a substance resembling lead.
However, the "alien" theory is not the only one. According to some researchers, the "giants" and "dwarfs" could be a mere side branch of humanity that once lived on Earth, but for some reason became extinct.

[Moon]

Here is a link to a video showing a huge footprint believed to be at least 200 million years old. The person in the video is claiming it is real, but I haven't heard much about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dRuxw-nZoJw

This is definitely worth a look if it proves to be a real fossil.