Atlantis Where Is It?

[Sunrisepony]

The other interesting thing with surgery and ancient advanced technology/knowledge are those Inca stones that were found and part of a collection by that one doctor in Peru. Have either of you read about him yet?

[Moon]

The other interesting thing with surgery and ancient advanced technology/knowledge are those Inca stones that were found and part of a collection by that one doctor in Peru. Have either of you read about him yet?

The one I am thinking of right now is Father Crespi, who had a huge collection of amazing artifacts. I can't think of the name of the doctor you speak of, maybe someone here will help us out.

The main question Mr Wilson asked is who taught the ancient Americans their knowledge as they only repeated it and did not improve on it?

[Sunrisepony]

Father Crespi was one, but the guy I'm thinking of was Doctor Javier Cabrera. I had to think about it, but that's the guy I'm thinking about. He accumulated this mass amount of "Ica Stones" and they depicted many images of advanced science, brain surgery, dinosaurs and humans, etc. At one point like any other anomalous find, there were detractors and attempted debunkers, and some of the real ones have in the past ended up destroyed by earthquakes. And, even others have put 'fakes' out there to circumvent the real ones and make them appear fake also, but haven't been duplicated authentically anyway. They're incredibly old.

The Ancient Americans could have got their knowledge from the Aramu Muru Empire, there is archaeological evidence it extended from MU/The Motherland, into and through out South America, and up into Utah and The Rockies, then Atlantis, and into Egypt, Sumer, Osiria. They are apparently responsible for the Mayan, Incan, the good majority of stone megalithic building sites through out South America, The Pyramids of Egypt. Go further back behind Aramu Muru and his empire, records show he came from the stars.

[Moon]

Ah, the Ica Stones. I thought that is what you meant but could not place his name at first either. The jury on the Ica Stones is still out as there have been many fakes passed off by the locals to cash in on his discovery. It is a shame, but many humans try to make money on anything they can.

[yerock III stoneman]

Hey Max, Sunrise and all, .... I heard a little about both collectors. Sunrisepony, are you sure you never visited my beach museum/gallery in Cape May when it was open? A couple of people compared my situation to Dr. Cabreras'. I also find and decipher crazy artifacts. (see my profile page or knights templar thread for pix.) When my story about some Mayan stone artifacts I found here (Cape May) made front page headlines, I received a couple of visits from people who also found Mayan relics,(one was a grave digger from Pennsylvania). Now, none of this information is really available to the general public. I'm sure this situation is occurring elsewhere. ... If there was a highly advanced civilization that traveled and mapped the world, they left an imprint everywhere they went. With todays instant communication between any part of the world, I truly believe we have the ability to really figure things out. ... I also strongly believe this: because of the enormous impact a highly developed race can have on another society, that society might memorialize their newfound advancements thru some sort of worship.

[Sunrisepony]

I'm certain I've never visited Cape May, but I would love to someday. As it stands, I've only been in California, New York, and Toronto Canada, along with Wisconsin and Chicago Illinois, hardly anything travel wise. But, I plan to some day when financially available to travel more. If you look over the threads with links I've posted about Aramu Muru and his empire, it might give you some answers

@ Max,
The original Ica's were confirmed to be real, if you look past the typical WOT debunking and information suppression society. There were though as you said later on some that faked them. But, it's very easy to tell the difference between the real and fake. Among other things the many layers of patina and the method used to carve the stones, and images/details depicted.

[Moon]

@ Max,
The original Ica's were confirmed to be real, if you look past the typical WOT debunking and information suppression society. There were though as you said later on some that faked them. But, it's very easy to tell the difference between the real and fake. Among other things the many layers of patina and the method used to carve the stones, and images/details depicted.

Here is why I have problems with the Ica Stones:

Why don't scientists simply date the stones and settle the matter? Stones without organic material trapped in them can only be dated by dating the organic material in the strata in which they are found. Since Cabrera's stones come from some mystery cave which has never been identified, much less excavated, there is no way to date them.

The proof that the stones are not a hoax, says Dr. Cabrera, is in their number. There are too many stones for a single farmer, or even a collective of hoaxers, to have scratched out. He claims that the locals have unearthed about 50,000 stones and that they showed him a "tunnel" where there are another 100,000. However, so far no scientific expedition, or even a film crew led by Charlton Heston of the mysterious "Mysterious Origins of Man" spectacle, has set out to explore this tunnel.

Furthermore, says Cabrera, who apparently fancies himself an expert on volcanic stone as well as on extinct fish, andesite is too hard to carve well by mere mortals using stone tools. True, but the stones aren't carved. They are graved, i.e., a surface layer of oxidation has been scratched away. Dr. Cabrera assumes that the creators of the stones only had stone tools available to them. The Inca, Maya and Aztec cultures all had advanced metallurgy by the time the Spanish arrived. Cabrera and the Ica locals certainly have more than stone tools available to them. Basilio explained how he and Irma achieved the "ancient" look on their stones: They laid out the graved stones in a chicken pen and the "chickens did the rest" (Polidoro 2002).

I do go to skeptical sites to get a different viewpoint on subjects here. If they ignore the evidence, I know they are not reliable on the subject. However, this is a conclusion I do think is possible from the article about the Ica Stones:

Are the stones authentic? If by authentic one means that they were engraved by pre-Columbians, then the answer has to be an unqualified "not all of them." Some engraved stones are said to have been brought back to Spain in the 16th century. It is possible that some of the stones are truly examples of pre-Columbian art. However, it is known that some such stones are forgeries. Tourists, not just in Peru, but everywhere on earth where there are antiquities, have been suckers for forgeries. Local con artisans are aware of the market for "forbidden" antiquities. (I myself am the proud owner of a shard sold to me in Arizona by a young Native American as an authentic "illegal" piece of Anasazi pottery. A colleague has some nice forgeries from Egypt made to look old by dipping them in motor oil and torching them.) Pre-Columbians certainly were fascinated with monsters, as were ancient European cultures, but do the stones depict dinosaurs? That is open to interpretation. If they do depict dinosaurs and humans together what is more likely? that they are accurate historical documents or that they are part of a clever hoax? In light of the lack of corroborating evidence, a reasonable person must conclude that the stones are a hoax.

I would love for the Ica Stones to be proven true, but that is up to the good doctor himself to do so.

[Sunrisepony]

But the doctor is dead last I heard, he died a few years back now. But, there are family members that maintain his collection and will provide for proof and validation any information requested.

[Saxoneer]

Just read an intersesting article on the Yahoo science pages about two sunken islands found near Australia, if we're only now discovering sunken islands here, then the possibility that a sunken island could be awaiting discovery in the Atlantic exists!

Read the full article at:-

http://news.yahoo.com/surprising-sunken-islands-discovered-near-australia-155612029.html

[Moon]

Just read an intersesting article on the Yahoo science pages about two sunken islands found near Australia, if we're only now discovering sunken islands here, then the possibility that a sunken island could be awaiting discovery in the Atlantic exists!

Read the full article at:-

http://news.yahoo.com/surprising-sunken-islands-discovered-near-australia-155612029.html

If Atlantis did exist by name, it would of been an island and not a continent. I could imagine a small but very highly civilized island being thought of as larger than life. The later version started to turn it from an island to a continent.

[Sunrisepony]

There was a island a few years back, maybe 10 now. I can't remember time frame exactly, but anyway. It sunk off the coast of Denmark. And, that was rather interesting in it's self.

[Moon]

There was a island a few years back, maybe 10 now. I can't remember time frame exactly, but anyway. It sunk off the coast of Denmark. And, that was rather interesting in it's self.

There is also the sunken island featured in the Ancient Aliens segment about TSgt Penniston and his binary code notes. They translated to this location in which there was an island now long sunken. Perhaps it was a part of Atlantis?

[Bob137]

I have always liked the Atlantis topic since I first read of it as a kid. I have read many theories on it, and still believe as since they were a seafaring peoples, that they had one major large land mass island in the Atlantic, and other smaller islands around the Atlantic, of which they traveled, and lived. The big boom hit, and the big island went away, and the others, slowly sank, some still around, with not much left on them, but some evidence still exists, but just not discovered as of yet. I do believe that through all my research there is much evidence from other sources, not just Plato, of Atlantis. I also believe there is evidence of MU also, at an earlier date int he Pacific, and was also destroyed, but over a period of time, not all at once, as Atlantis was. I do believe that Plato told of what he seen, and heard, and as mentioned earlier other Greek philosophers agreed it was true. I also believe that some evidence of the writings in Egypt may still exist on Atlantis, and on building of the pyramids, since the guy who built the Coral Castle studied Egyptian Hieroglyphs, went to Egypt, and once he came to America, built the Coral Castle from what he learned. Also that he was able to move the whole thing to another location and rebuild, all by him little self, tells me he learned some great technology from Egypt, that others just have not found. If I remember what he found was on the circular columns that have hieroglyphs on them. I know this is just what I believe, no hard proof of anything, other than a little guy built a Coral Castle, and Plato's words, but I also have been reading of theories on the subject for over 40 years, and I do believe there is a connection between what Plato learned, and what the little guy that built Coral Castle learned. I could be wrong, if so, oh well!

[k13]

some greek guy went to egypt and learned some history from some egyptian guy.greek guy went home and told other greek guys. one greek guy thought it would make good story. actual history first greek guy learned concerned the island of theta and destroyed civilization that lived there. many hundreds of years went past , people got stupid. then one day in new civilization some whack jobs in england and america started reviving greek guys story, and embellished story with their own story . whack jobs made a lot of money and added to story even more. more people made money on greek guys story. story takes on mystical dimension and no one cares about truth anymore , but do care about money. hybred story is now so fantastic that people still make money to this day. greek guys are laughing in grave even now.

don't believe me?? do your own scholar work and trace story . or not . i could always be wrong, or not.

[Bob137]

From my understanding, Plato's account was verified in his time by other scholars.
That would mean that he was re-telling what he read.
Yeah he put it in a good story line, but that is what good writers usually do.

[yerock III stoneman]

I've said earlier on this thread that I believe Atlas and Atlantis may have been named after the fixed constellations: A-aquarius, T-taurus, L-leo, S-scorpio. But where is it?
... Plato called it a "large island", not a continent. In the New World, they have Atzlan, an another lost island. Southeast Asia has Atala, another interesting white island. The large island kingdom of Atlantis could have extended it's influence across nearby continents.
.... I think maps of Atlantis and Mu would certainly have existed if their people sailed the world. Surely, these maps aren't going to have a big " X marks the spot" on them, with the word Atlantis. If they weren't recorded on something hard as a rock, the maps are probably long gone.
... In my thread "Templar images on map", I present a stone artifact that I found. At first glance it resembles an oval head with squinty eyes, puffy cheeks, blowing out the wind. It's also a map of Asia, except the "wind" feature doesn't exist on a map of present day Asia:

However, it did exist during the last glacial maximum:

Above: stone map compared to chart from Graham Hancocks Underworld.
I think the wind or breath of the squinty eyed face was Mu. Google-earth this area today, you still can see land under the shallow water.
... So where is Atlantis, on this little stone map? The wind, or breath of the squinty eyed face is not only Mu. If I hold the stone sideways and look at it through a mirror, the stone represents Ice age North America, and the breath becomes a landmass sitting well off the coast of Florida, running all the way up to the Delaware Bay area. On todays maps this area includes the Bermuda Rise, Sargasso Sea, it's quite shallow in places.

The photos are low quality, the stone was worked who knows how long ago. Compare to ice age images on the web, or to google-earth.
... Peace.

[Bob137]

I would suggest having an open mind and reading "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Colin Wilson and Rabnd-Flem-Ath. It is a very good read, has a lot of information, lots and lots of research, ancient maps & information, debates, and conclusions on ancient seafarer's, and ancient civilizations, and megalithic sites, etc... all which do lead to Atlantis, and the place where it could only be, Antarctica.
In regards to Edgar Cayce's readings on Atlantis, he did not actually state that Atlantis with off or of Bimini, he was asked if it was, and just stated that the people of Atlantis came to the area of Bimini after the destruction of Atlantis, so to claim it is between Bimini and Africa or Europe by his readings is not accurate. Also in regards to land rising, it would be similar to the ice melting off of Antarctica and weight coming off the land, and rising, which the ice is melting there!

Ten reasons why I believe Antarctica is Atlantis.
1. Antarctica is a White Island (Atala/Aztlan)
2. Antarctica is at the underworld (Atala)
3. Antarctica is one of the only two locations in the navel of the sea it being located at the crossroads of all longitudinal lines (Ogygia)
4. Antarctica knows the depths of every sea (Ogygia)
5. Antarctica is at the South Pole and therefore holds the pillar of heaven (Ogygia).
6. Antarctica holds the world on it's shoulders (Ogygia)
7. Antarctica is an island continent in the Atlantic beyond the pillars of Hercules (Atlantis)
8. Antarctica is as big as Libya and Asia put together (Atlantis)
9. Antarctica is in the middle of the Real Sea surrounded by a boundless continent (Atlantis/Ogygia)
10. Antarctica was ice free during the time stated by Plato (Atlantis)

Ice core dating has not been proven to not be accurate, otherwise their theory on it would be able to explain Siberian Animals that were flash frozen, and they just ignore that, along with other anomalies that do not fit in with that theory. The crust and mantle displacement theories do explain these anomalies, you just have to read the whole thing on them, not just part of it, so as not to be prejudiced and learn why it works on all the ancient legends, and anomalous sites around the world on geography and geology, and climate, it explains so much of what has been discussed on so many forum, where no clear answers were found in regards to many subjects on our ancient civilizations myths and legends all around the world on the flood and other similar stories, and fits in with what is happening with out earth now. Remember that the last two large earthquakes actually changed the earth 5+ degrees.

[ThePhiGuy]

Bob137 said:

I would suggest having an open mind and reading "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Colin Wilson and Rabnd-Flem-Ath. It is a very good read, has a lot of information, lots and lots of research, ancient maps & information, debates, and conclusions on ancient seafarer's, and ancient civilizations, and megalithic sites, etc... all which do lead to Atlantis, and the place where it could only be, Antarctica.

And I'll second that! I'd place Rand Flem-Ath's research within the top ten books I've read. At present, I'm thinking he's probably right about Antarctica having once been the site of Atlantis.

And Mu? Well, if Mu and the continent of Kumari Kandam written of by the Tamil-Dravidian people (now living in Southern India) are one and the same place, then I have to think that at one time Madagascar and Australia were joined together, with the northern side of the continent attached to Sri Lanka because this would fit the description of the large triangular-shaped continent that the Dravidians claim once lay in the ocean south of India.

I think it's entirely possible that both Atlantis and Mu-Kumari were violently moved south and east when the last major crustal displacement took place. Atlantis became the Antarctic and Mu-Kumari became Australia. If this is correct, then at one time Antarctica-Atlantis was indeed in the South Atlantic Ocean (meeting Plato's description), and the Antarctic's previous position would have occupied the space between South America and Africa.

Both continents would have probably been very tropical or sub-tropical during the last Ice Age. Obviously, during the last Ice Age (which lasted roughly 40,000 years,) the continents occupying the southern hemisphere would have had a chance to expand and develop technologically, while the people living in the northern hemisphere would have had to concentrate on simply surviving.

And I can certainly believe that high-tech members of the military-industrial complex from both continents somehow survived with at least a portion of their previous technology still intact. The survivors ended up in India, calling themselves "the Arayn gods" led by Indra, and from there they began a militant expansion of their territories by invading the Middle East.

The Rig Veda clearly states that the old Brahmin priesthood specifically trained ancient India's warrior-king caste (the nobility or the 'Kshatriya' class) to become "world emperors." The ideology, even way back then, was aimed at creating a world government ruled by the Brahmins and India's ruling class.

[Bob137]

Right on Max. I also agree with that scenario. Also if our poles were actually at different places during those times, it would explain the differences in the Northern Continents of which areas were cold and covered with ice.

[ThePhiGuy]

Has anyone read 'Atlantis: The Lost Continent Finally Found,' by Arysio Santos? I haven't read the book yet, but I've read everything on his website (which has been poorly maintained since Santos' death) but never-the-less has a wealth of information.

Santos places Atlantis in Indonesia precisely in the same area as the map (posted above by CoreyGilbert) that's found in Graham Hancock's book, 'Underworld.'The website has hundreds of pages of very in-depth articles, many of which can only be accessed by clicking the links in various articles, as there is no up-to-date index page. In spite of the irritating way the site is put together, the articles are truly eye-openers. I suspect most folks here would really enjoy going through his website.

http://atlan.org/articles/

Over the years, I've come to believe that after the Mu-Kumari (Australia) and Atlantis (Antarctica) crustal shift took place, the survivors of both nations settled in Indonesia and the islands that once occupied the Indian Ocean and Bay of Bengal. I also think each group was very capable of navigating the oceans and had set up colonies far and wide, which is why so many people think they've found Atlantis all over the world. Additionally, I suspect from the sound of things, there were clear differences in the ideology and religious beliefs between the Mu and Atlantis survivors which resulted in very serious wars.

Then, as those island systems were inundated at the end of the last Ice Age, (as well as blown asunder by Volcanic and earthquake activity) both systems moved up into India where even more warfare took place as told in the Rig Veda, Ramayana and Mahabharata. Eventually, the two systems became known as the 'Asura's' (led by the Lunar gods) and 'Devas' (Solar gods) and both systems very obviously "demonized" each other.

As the descendants of Atlantis and Mu moved into the Middle East, the Asuras settled into Sumer and Assyria, while the Deva or Solar sun god system evidently broke away and went to Egypt. Sumer was clearly named after 'Mt. Sumeru,' which venerates the same holy mountain that's called 'Mt. Meru' by most Hindu's, Buddhists, and Jains of today.

Both the Asuras and the Devas also clearly demonized the indigenous black folks (Hamatic races) of Africa as well as the Indigenous Caucasians (Biblically, the sons of Japheth) that originated in Anatolia and had spread over most of the Middle East at the end of the last ice age.

[yerock III stoneman]

Phi Guy, thnx for bringing Mt Meru into the conversation. Do you have Richard Thompson's Mysteries of the Sacred Universe? The cover is an illustration of Meru and the Bhu-mandala it's attached to. On pages 3 and 123, Thompson shows how the Bhu-mandala is (among other things) a local map of India, the Himalayan region, and nearby areas of south-central Asia. Turn the book upside down (I'm being serious), and compare the cover illustration to the picture of the stone artifact above on this thread. The area that I call the wind, could be used to represent Meru. The area on the stone map representing India, the Himalayas and South Asia are part of the Bhu-mandala, as described by Thompson.
... There are many ancient wind gods around the world. And sons of the wind. Many of their names are similar - Vira from the mid-east to Viracocha in the new world. Graeme R. Kearsley has a ton of comparisons in Inca Origins and his other works.
... Maybe the sons of the wind really were sons of the wind, with the wind representing their lost homeland.
... Peace.

[Thath]

Perhaps the tv-show "Stargate Atlantis" is based on facts?

[Bob137]

It is very possible that the show Stargate Atlantis was based on facts, and it could either be under the ocean right now, with a force field around it, or long gone out into space. It is very possible that there are many different beings in space at very different levels of technology, and each utilize different types of technology. Maybe we lump too many of the instances of "contact" together as from on type of being, when maybe they are of different types, some from an ancient advanced earth, some from another solar system, some from another galaxy, some from another dimension, and some from another universe! I really believe mankind needs to open up their minds on what is possible, since just our galaxy alone is so vast, that it could take us millions of years just to be where we explore all of it, let alone other galaxies, or dimensions, or another universe! The possibilities really are endless, on what could be reality int his material existence of ours. So many cling to the thought of mankind risen from the magestical ooze of earth or from a material based God, and made into a human being, and that we are the center of the universe, and therefore the only possible living entities around, that it is almost impossible for them to consider such outlandish possibilities as that we are not alone, and never have been.

[Sunrisepony]

If you guys check out the article I posted,it explains that Atlantis is in the Atlantic Ocean, and gives information on extensive ruins that have been physically photographed and video taped in the Atlantic Ocean, artifacts that have been recovered. It's not so much that there is a force field protecting it, unless you consider the group of disinformationist and Western Orthodox Theorist protecting the only thing they have left to protect, their pride and many lies about our true history a force field.

[Bob137]

Yes did read your post, just stating other possibilities, not saying that Greenland could not be it, just from all the evidence I have read, Antarctica is a more likely candidate to me. It is possible there is a sunken land in the Atlantic Ocean also, between the Caribbean and the Azores, and the U.K., but from ocean survey's it seems that if so, then the land must have been virtually destroyed, and split up prior to sinking, which would still go along with Plato's account! I just believe that there was definitely an ancient advanced seafaring nation that was pretty much worldwide, and was destroyed, and remnants are all over the world of it's existence, also the myths and legends and tales of it's existence, put together seem pretty conclusive.

[Sunrisepony]

The article I posted doesn't intimates in anyway "Greenland" being Atlantis. It talks about all the ruins scattered all over the Atlantic Ocean (and ultimately the world) that are parts of Atlantis (and other ancient civilizations). And, Atlantis did break up also parts of it were covered in mud. The Ocean Surveys done, have to ask each source who funded them. The WOT or some independent firm? Atlantis obviously wasn't on Antarctica. The evidence (photographed and video taped ruins discovered during independent expeditions) proves beyond anything it was in the Atlantic. You are totally right though about there being an ancient sea faring race that traveled the world. I recovered past life memories from when I was on MU.

Several of my friends have memories of past lives on Atlantis. There is another version of a more extensive mannor done on Bibliotecapleyades.net , it talks about several different ancient continents. That article is not speculation, not "what about this" , not based on Plato's "Theory" , it's hard actual evidence that says "this is where it all was, these are historical accounts of ancient cultures about atlantis. That is where it was and yes it existed." but, unfortunately it's not "case closed" because most mainstream scientist even with photographs and video of 18 story Pyramid and a modern paved road sitting 1,000 feet below the surface and other pillars and paved walkways etc. staring them in the face isn't enough for them to swallow their pride and admit to the word they knowingly lied about Atlantis being a mythological city when they knew it wasn't.

And, Google Earth and others with the Satellite Technology to scan the surface continue to perpetuate this misnomer intentionally so there isn't a necessity to change the history books and completely obliterate several world religions. The evidence is indisputable and yet they continue to ignore it, it's 2012. Time to stop coddling the few and and the world to start accepting the truth.

There was Mu, Lemuria, Thule (even the German Nazi's knew about this place, and used much of the information from it) (In Northern Atlantic where Hyperborea was), Lumania, Rama (India), Osiria (Mid-Mediterranean), and maybe one or two more. There is evidence, ruins, etc. Of all these places, advanced races etc being kept hidden right now.

Here's the more extensive and I think easier to read version of the article I posted on the other thread with the evidence.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/atlantida_mu/esp_atlantida_5.htm

Back then we not only had sea faring cultures, we had flight and anti-gravity crafts etc. The Vimanas that the Mahabharata talk about, they were real. I don't remember the exact spot but I've seen photos of the one that is being kept hidden in an underground vault, one of my friends has photos he took personally himself.

[Thath]

Is there anyone who has yet to seen the similarity between Atlantis - Atlantic ?

[Bob137]

Yes the Atlantic Ocean may have been named after Atlantis, in other words it was originally called the Atlantis Ocean, but it was also considered one complete ocean that went all around the world from Atlantis, that is just one more reasoning for Antarctica being considered as Atlantis, for when one looks at the world from the Antarctic, then it is just one big ocean going all around the planet! Turn a globe of the earth on it's side and view the world form Antarctica, and you will see what I mean.

[Thath]

A thought I got right now when thinking of how to answer a comment in another part of this forum was maybe, what if Atlantis isn't under the ocean, but buried deep underground on land? Can it be so? If not i'll just keep on thinking up theories about everything

[yerock III stoneman]

My problem with Antarctica, is this. Theres a large area where you can walk around on the ground, not ice or snow, but rock. It's from a volcanic eruption approx. 8 million years ago. Recently taken core samples show a huge field of ice directly below the lava rock. But the lava field is unbroken, it remains solidified in place just as it was 8 million years ago. ... If the ice supporting it has melted during that time, the lava field would have been displaced.
... Peace.

[Bob137]

Atnarctica is actually two landmasses, or continents. They are only joined together by the ice, if the ice was melted on one part (from being north of where it is now), the other due to being constant in that area, would stay frozen.

[Sunrisepony]

There's to much evidence, ruins etc that have completely eliminated the probability of Atlantis even remotely being found on Antarctica. Now, another of the several continents / cities etc known to have existed in our pre-history period. Maybe, that's entirely possible but no....not Atlantis.

[frosty lasagna]

Good grief......to think with all the technology today that people wouldn't actually go look for this place. It seems a little silly to rely on stories and theories without many actual facts to back them up. I think it's getting too easy for people as a whole to just "look on the internet" for information. UNLESS it is a factual entry from a trusted source, I consider it to be like any magazine or resource of opinions and fact-based theories, but definitely NOT the end-all of possible explanations of anything, especially when you look at all the competing beliefs and opinions of so many. Just a thought, y'all.

[Sunrisepony]

Have you seen the thread I posted which is I think just below this one? Atlantis FOUND 1971 History of The Golden Ages. It's got more facts than anyone could shake a stick at concerning Atlantis and several other of the continents from pre-history, and a list of ruins found that would make any real anthropologist drool. Including documented historical references from ancient cultures world wide. None of it based on fantasy, myth or channeled information. Just pure facts.

[frosty lasagna]

Nope, I didn't see it, but I will check it out. I didn't say all information on internet is shady, but a lot of it is.