Prometheus thread ONLY if you have seen the movie

[Ace Rimmer]

Warning this thread is for people who have seen the film and want to discuss it in depth..

LOADED WITH SPOILERS !!

I said in the other thread that this movie is like life, there are many questions and even if we do find an answer it just leads to another question.
First of all I am sure that was the intention, to get us all thinking and talking.

The opening sequence of Prometheus. We fly over a spectacular vista, which may or may not be primordial Earth. According to Ridley Scott, it doesn't matter. A lone Engineer at the top of a waterfall goes through a strange ritual, drinking from a cup of black goo that causes his body to disintegrate into the building blocks of life. We see the fragments of his body falling into the river, twirling and spiralling into DNA helices.

Ridley Scott has this to say about the scene: 'That could be a planet anywhere. All he’s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself. If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history – which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas – he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.


I think The Engineers are the Nephilim.

That horse shoe shaped ship is the same kind as the ship that is found in the original Alien movie on planet LV-426, the planet in this movie is LV-233 and in the same part of space. So the Engineers had multiple ships going out on missions to perhaps destroy worlds and their creation, a bio-weapon, wasn't contained very well was it!!!

There were many derelict ships on the planet, according to David, so this is not the same ship that was found by Nostromo and not the same planet. Another ship was taking off and the Space Jockey was killed when the Queen burst out of his chest.

I think whatever The Engineers were up to, it got away from them. They were trying to get back to Earth and destroy us, but for what reason ?

A comment about the story, how come they always have the dumbest scientists ? so stupid that when they see something that looks like a hissy and toothsome Space Cobra, they essentially walk right up to it and say: "aw, pretty pretty!" Because even my dog knows that if something hisses at him—he'd best back off.

I think Meredith Vickers was a robot too, but even she didn't know it. Despite the fact that she supposedly had sex with Captain Janek. I keep thinking about Blade Runner, Decker was an Android and even he didn't know it and Data was able to have sex too. All sexually active and another Android not knowing it was an Android, although some people will debate this issue.

I have lots more ideas and questions and my own answers, hopefully some more people will go see the movie. Sorry my post is all over the place, but I have many thoughts running around in my head.

Fox where are you?!

[Foxlike Mulder]

I thoroughly enjoyed it. The movie was also full of suspense...I was twisting and turning in my seat throughout the whole movie, as was my wife (plus she has to hide her eyes several times!). I found it to be very similar to Alien, but with a better tie to today's reference points. The scenary was great; I especially like the desolate landscape where you can tell there was once a lot of activity, but it was a time long ago. The advanced human race was also really interesting. I need to see it again, but I will watch Alien (again) first to better pick up on the connections.

The ancient alien/astronaut/human piece was great too. I also found the impetus to explore our beginnings a more likely scenario...that is, I can see how a private person would fund and direct an expedition (or multiple expeditions) to find the answers. I can see how academics will be continually supressed until they are funded by like-minded wealthy, private individuals. Luckily, we are expanding that population as many of today's wealthy are young people who have made money from advanced IT-type businesses...and these people tend to be more open-minded toward alternative thinking.

Aside from the ancient alien connection, I think there is another interesting subplot to ponder with the android/artifical intelligence topic. We can wonder all day long about how other species (or advanced humans) have intervened and impacted human civilization, but what about the concept of AI development and the consequences of its evolution, like Fassbender's character? This is also similar to the Terminator concept. Could we develop AI beings that eventually make decisions that have an adverse impact on the human race? Has it already occurred?

I'm still not sure on a couple pieces in the movie, like why the advanced humans would carrying all those vases of alien DNA material. Was the fight between the aliens and advanced human/engineers part of the reason why they wanted to return to Earth? I too thought Vickers might have been an android, which would have been an interesting turn. I am excited about a Prometheus 2...but we'll need two things: one, good results from moviegoers (at least $100M in revenue), and two, Ridley Scott needs to stay alive (he's pushing 75!).

On another movie topic, with what's happening in the Baltic with that "thing" sitting on the bottom of the ocean, I keep thinking back to "Sphere", the Michael Crichton book turned into a movie with Dustin Hoffman, Sam Jackson and Sharon Stone. Are we watching movies about things that have already happened or about to happen?

[Ace Rimmer]

Sometimes I wonder at this period in time all the movies coming out about Alien invasions and movies like Sphere or even the Abyss, which are older films, if we aren't being prepared for something big. At least in some paranoid portion of my brain I think things like that.

I don't know why they needed so much, so many large vials of the DNA goo. Maybe they have seeded thousands of planets. Maybe they need it for something we don't even know about yet. This was perhaps a Military installation, planet LV-233, and they were engineering bio-weapons and they need a lot.

I wonder what David said to that big buff Engineer( they must work out a lot) that made him rip his head off ?!?

When Shaw was having her operation, I think a lot of us were watching with our hands over our faces.

Hope Ridley Scott is in good health.

[Gizmo]

loved the film i found 2 articles that try to explain some stuff have a look

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/communi ... topic/7436

and

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

what you guys think ?

[Ace Rimmer]

loved the film i found 2 articles that try to explain some stuff have a look

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/communi ... topic/7436

and

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

what you guys think ?

Brilliant!! thank you Gizmo.

I am pressed for time right now, but I read the first link, seems spot on to me! Man I love the Prometheus movie community.

This movie gives new meaning to the phrase..."Prepare to meet thy maker" and not in a good way!

Oh brother! My neighbors saw Prometheus and I asked one of them how they liked it, they liked it well enough....and he told me it reminded them of the Alien movie. Wow, how about that!

[Jeff Sheets]

We saw it last night. My daughter pointed out the similarity between the pilot's seat on the horseshoe ship and the drawing on the Palenque tomb lid. Still taking the movie in, The Space Jockeys or whatever you want to call them don't really seem to be advanced enough to get the credit for our creation (notwithstanding that first scene). They were extremely backward compared to what I would expect. Maybe their claim is to have created the perfect killing machine (the alien) but that hardly seems advanced. We can create artificial DNA even now. and just about everything we create turns into a weapon.

When I first heard about the movie, I read that it would be about us going to meet the gods and then stealing something dear to the gods, which caused them to come after us and create the "alien" to destroy us. Guess this wasn't that. I expected something more "chariots of the gods" or "Eziekiel's wheel" and didn't get it. Not to be a downer, cause I still hope someone will make the movie that will do that for me. As a prequel to Aliens, it was OK.

[Ace Rimmer]

Good catch on your daughter's part.

I feel like such a nerd, but I keep thinking about the movie and some of what others have pointed out.

Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)

So that is what I think they were.

I am already hoping for more with part II and part III, yes they are already being talked about.

I guess the really good thing about Prometheus is it is giving those of us interested enough to do some thinking on our own. (Filling in plot holes that will satisfy us the most) Kind of like Lost, same writer involved.

[Gizmo]

if you notice in the first scene that huge disk shaped spaceship is very different from the ones from the engineers.. maybe thats a annunaki ship..

and also i agree with the article that talks about the "engineer" sacrificing himself to give life.. and at the end the old guy tells the robot(no life being) to ask the engineer for eternal life... he must have felt pretty bad

[Ace Rimmer]

Noticed that of course, the round ship. The horseshoe shaped ships where the military ships and caring the Bio-weapons, the black-goo. That's what I think.

That black goo doesn't necessarily have to be the same thing the sacrificial being ingested at the beginning. I think there are lot of mutations going on and apparently reacts differently with each "host".

Boy, I don't generally spend this much time talking about a particular movie.

[Gizmo]

yes i think it react to what the people are thinking or something.. if you noticed the black goo didnt react with the robot

[Ace Rimmer]

yes i think it react to what the people are thinking or something.. if you noticed the black goo didnt react with the robot

It would only react with living organisms.

[Foxlike Mulder]

I went to see it again tonight...better in 3D.

I am not so sure on the Vickers is a robot theory. I also think there is more to the Engineers plan to spread that alien stuff on earth. There was conflict with the Aliens and the Engineers 2000 years ago and obviously again at the end when it killed the remaining Engineer. And whose spaceship was hovering above the Engineer at the waterfall in the beginning of the movie? My thoughts are still going in a bunch of different directions. The youtube video from Comicgirl19 summed it up pretty well I thought...the URLs from Gizmo were also interesting. Ultimately, I can't spend that much time analyzing a movie. I think Ridley Scott does project some of his personal theories onto the big screen...and the imagery is fun to watch...but what that exactly means is vague, and unless he has a lot more information than the rest of us, it's all just more theory.

[Ace Rimmer]

I agree, it was I am sure intentionally vague and we get to make up our own minds about what was going on.

But my take on the round spaceship at the beginning hovering over the big white guy, was a Science vessel, the big horseshoe ship shape ships we see and from the original Alien movie, were from the Military alien fleet.

[siren13]

I haven't seen it yet and only skimmed to see if anyone liked it. I want to see it but wanted opinions of other sci/fi lovers

[Ace Rimmer]

I haven't seen it yet and only skimmed to see if anyone liked it. I want to see it but wanted opinions of other sci/fi lovers

that's ok, I just didn't want anybody to have anything revealed to them if they didn't want the info.

I'm sure any Sci-fi fan will like this movie and it really does make you think.

[Bob137]

I have seen it twice now, and really enjoyed it. I think the beginning with the Saucer Ship is as another suggested a science vessel, and the others are military type cargo transport ships. I also think though that the beginning of the giant allowing himself ro be used as a guinea pig is ridiculous, and that they would more likely utilize another species, or a human for such a process as was done with the Mayans and others. I believe all the ones that were taking care of the old man were the robot/androids, but none of the others. I believe for such advanced beings to create such a deadly bio weapon, and to be so irresponsible with it, shows that they are only material beings, and just giant humanoids, not Gods. Also the end of the story, where she speaks with the robots head about why she wants to go to the Engineers home planet is to me just a ploy for the robot, and that why she really was going was to take their bio weapon to their home planet, and let it out in hopes to stop them from taking it to earth or other planets, or to at least get them to reconsider. I think of the early engineers of our species is more of a egotistic humanoid who would expect worship from any species they created, and that they have the technology to not only create just about any species, but to also destroy any kind that they could and would create by destroying just about everything on a planet to wipe out whatever species is there that they grew tired of, and wish to created something new or different, or more complex. I also think that according to our own ancient history and changes, that they also seem to want to continue changes to the human genome or at least modify a little at time for slow progress. They may be more afraid of faster progress, and of fear that in time humans could surpass or at least come close to equalization with them.

[siren13]

I need to try to watch it again. I fell asleep the first time.. not my intention but it just sort of happened.. =0)
One of my friends thought it was too slow. I can't comment on it but am wondering if I should give it another chance..

[Bob137]

I also noticed that when they were searching, how they tied ancient civilizations from around the world together, through the Ancient Astronaut Theory.

[siren13]

I can't help it.. I wanted more from the ending in this movie. I am wondering if they are coming out with another one. I wanted to see where they were going?? Oh well..