Crude Poetic Justice?

[coberst]

Crude Poetic Justice?

Wikipedia informs me that “poetic justice” is a notion that fictional literature takes on as a cultural demand whereby literary outcomes must support moral standards by justifying in the end the virtuous behavior of the good guy and punishing the bad behavior of the bad guy. Furthermore logic is also maintained.

How can our (American) present troubles be considered as poetic justice?

Let us just examine the great human manufactured catastrophes visited upon us in the last few years; the Great Crude Oil Smear, the deadliest mine disaster in three decades, the greatest financial catastrophe since the Great Depression, and the looming global climate change induced by human activity.

The common element in all of these catastrophes is our three decade guiding premise that Government is the problem while Free Market forces are the solution.

Poetic Justice results because the American people are punished, with a great crude oil smear, by the logic of their commitment to the free market and their dark suspicion of government regulation.

Perhaps God is a practical joker!

[MohawkGuy]

God Bless America!

[truthseeker]

firstly, this is the correct forum for this post

Crude Poetic Justice?
How can our (American) present troubles be considered as poetic justice?

it cant!

Let us just examine the great human manufactured catastrophes visited upon us in the last few years;

before i can answer any more of your post i need to know what you mean by the above underlined...manufactured catastrophes as in "purposefully created" therefore "manufactured" as opposed to just random events of our ignorance?


PS. the US is NOT the only one going through all of this.

[coberst]

before i can answer any more of your post i need to know what you mean by the above underlined...manufactured catastrophes as in "purposefully created" therefore "manufactured" as opposed to just random events of our ignorance?

The manufactured catastrophes I speak of are: "the Great Crude Oil Smear, the deadliest mine disaster in three decades, the greatest financial catastrophe since the Great Depression, and the looming global climate change induced by human activity."

These disasters are not an "act of God" but are the results of foolish intentional human actions.

[truthseeker]

well, the crude disaster, while it is a "disaster" is something that mother nature will put right in time. oil contrary to popular belief does in time, disperse and is re-absorbed back into the planet.
oil is a natural substance and while it will cause havoc with the environment and the wildlife, this will be short term.

the great depression of the early 20th century was manufactured by the Federal Reserve. unlike the great depression, the one we face today is a construct of the bankers, the bank of England as well as the Fed. that is a matter of fact and not disputable.


the most ridiculous thing i have heard in recent years is this stupid idea that the planet is getting warmer due to mans output of CO2.

before you believe me, and before we continue with the climate debate, please go research "climate-gate".

[coberst]

The United States with 5% of the global population, which consumes 25% of the global production of petroleum, becomes tarred with petroleum; that is poetic justice!

[truthseeker]

no, thats called sad.

nothing poetic about it!

[coberst]

It is ironic, sad, poetic justice, and tragedy.

[truthseeker]

why do you insist on calling it poetic "justice"?

poetic justice in my humble opinion, would be the bush family being killed in a building collapse with only them being in the building!

[Ace Rimmer]

why do you insist on calling it poetic "justice"?

poetic justice in my humble opinion, would be the bush family being killed in a building collapse with only them being in the building!

True dat!

[coberst]

poetic justice in my humble opinion, would be the bush family being killed in a building collapse with only them being in the building!

Why do you consider that to be poetic justice? Do you disagree with my definition of the term? If so what is your definition?

[truthseeker]

firstly, i consider the whole Bush family as nothing more than traitors to humanity...did you know that Prescott Bush (GWB's granddaddy) had his businesses seized because he was caught trading with the enemy since before (as well as during) WW2?

rest assured thats not the only reason i call them traitors. i have done my home work on the Bush family and they are all sick drug dealing paedophiles, and thats NOT a theory, its fact...

but lets leave that where it is because this is not the right thread or section of the forum for such talk.


i don't consider it either poetic or justice for 1 simple reason...no good has come from it.

it is a tragic event to be sure, but poetic?! i don't think so.

[fotoguy]

I see no poetic justice here at all. If that was the case, many other countries would be suffering from their ways, too. Where are you from? I'd be glad to give you some examples.

Americans have worked hard and sacrificed much to get the country to where it is today. Americans deserve all the good things they have.

[coberst]

Wiki says: “Poetic justice is a literary device in which virtue is ultimately rewarded or vice punished, often in modern literature by an ironic twist of fate intimately related to the character's own conduct."

To call this situation poetic justice is not to say that it is justice that this should happen to the United States. It is to say that if this was a literary novel and this happened to a country in the same manner then we could evaluate it to be poetic justice.

To say that this is poetic justice is to point this out so that we all might learn something very important about human actions in the real world. We Americans go blindly along "just doin what comes naturally" without ever analyzing our actions in a critical and sophisticated manner.

[Enochian]

Secretively “man”-ufactued disaster is the premeditated injustice of a prosaic mindset hazarding all consciousness on and including Earth. Perhaps unwittingly this mad-mindset unleashes human spirit to think highly and thereby collectively expose the secrecy. We are all challenged as a race by such evil and to disable the anonymity it jealously savors as “power” would be poetic justice.

[fotoguy]

Secretively “man”-ufactued disaster is the premeditated injustice of a prosaic mindset hazarding all consciousness on and including Earth. Perhaps unwittingly this mad-mindset unleashes human spirit to think highly and thereby collectively expose the secrecy. We are all challenged as a race by such evil and to disable the anonymity it jealously savors as “power” would be poetic justice.

And how is that in English? Them words is too big for me.

[coberst]

Some wise politician said "never waste a catastrophe".

One of the great weaknesses in a democracy is that we never face reality until we meet it face-to-face. This is a situation by which the American citizen might be awakened from a deep slumber and thus begin a process of learning how to become more sophisticated regarding the responsibility we all share in a democracy such as ours.

[mahalla2]

To say that this is poetic justice is to point this out so that we all might learn something very important about human actions in the real world. We Americans go blindly along "just doin what comes naturally" without ever analyzing our actions in a critical and sophisticated manner.

I have to agree with coberst - In October of 2009 I flew to Houston, Texas to be part of an emergency response team in regards to the devastation on the Gulf Coast caused by Hurricane Ike. We were stationed at a location in the most Southern end of Houston and having never been there before I did not realize how the strong odor of diesel oil (from all the refineries) could be smelled everywhere and just totally permeated the air. Also, they had a man-made well-lighted channel that went from the Gulf Coast straight up into Houston giving the oil barges 24 hour access to the Houston refineries. And I really felt at the time that this over shadowing, "Big Oil Baron" enterprize could possibly be at the center of their next disaster.

[Ace Rimmer]

I think we are totally trashing this planet and sucking it dry. I am most of the time ashamed to be part of the human race, the things we do are mind boggling to say the least.
Greed is the prime motivating factor for humans.

I can't even relate to people, what they do to other humans and other animals and the earth itself. There are good humans yes, but if you watch the news and see and hear what goes on, I can't take it.

I wish the Mother Ship would come back and get me! now!!!

[Sagittarii]

^i can't take it either. sometimes im proud as hell to be human because what we have achieved in the last 200 years but on the other hand like you said, we're destroying this planet. im no green peace treehugger type but i do indeed believe in taking care of our planet and the animals that share this jewel with us.

maybe if we would listen to what the native americans have to say we would be in a lot better shape.

[fotoguy]

I think we are totally trashing this planet and sucking it dry. I am most of the time ashamed to be part of the human race, the things we do are mind boggling to say the least.
Greed is the prime motivating factor for humans.

I can't even relate to people, what they do to other humans and other animals and the earth itself. There are good humans yes, but if you watch the news and see and hear what goes on, I can't take it.

I wish the Mother Ship would come back and get me! now!!!

Hallelujah! This is probably why they left us alone.

[Ace Rimmer]

It is totally disgraceful how we have trashed this planet. If something major Cosmic wise doesn't happen to us, it won't matter, because we are destroying ourselves and all life anyway.

[truthseeker]

maybe we should ask the oil company's why they killed the inventor of the water powered car?

[Ace Rimmer]

maybe we should ask the oil company's why they killed the inventor of the water powered car?

Truthseeker....you are also Truthspeaker!

[truthseeker]

i do try...


while we are at it, we should also shoot every single corporate and Govt lobbyists who are keeping things hidden from us because there is no profit in letting people have free energy (such as browns gas from water) and the cure for cancer.


some food for thought:

http://www.tpuc.org/content/marijuana-conspiracy


whoops! gone slightly off topic lol if anyone would like to continue please let me know and i'll make another thread or you can make a new thread yourselves

[mahalla2]

[quote="Metaluna"]I think we are totally trashing this planet and sucking it dry. I am most of the time ashamed to be part of the human race, the things we do are mind boggling to say the least.
Greed is the prime motivating factor for humans. quote]


Yes, greed is a real problem here and it's probably at the core of most of our problems. By the way, I must really be tired today because my trip to Houston for Hurricane Ike was in 2008 not 2009. (I'm surprised no one caught that!)

[truthseeker]

i would say ignorance and a sever lack of knowledge and understanding by the worlds populace is a bigger problem than greed.

[Ace Rimmer]

i would say ignorance and a sever lack of knowledge and understanding by the worlds populace is a bigger problem than greed.

We are just a bunch of blind sheep. Myself included, well I turn a bilnd eye I'd guess you'd say. But we are all so busy, most of us, just trying to stay alive, put food on the table, pay our bills. My day is pretty much taken up being a good "plow horse" I get up, go to work, plow my row and go home.
About all I have ever done to make a difference was not reproducing and adding to the world's population. And that is only because I think the world is turning into such a $hit hole that I couldn't dream of bringing a child into it.
Oh, I also never litter, and always pick up my dog's poo.
And donate to several good causes. Oh and we recycle and compost!
But for the most part I just put my blinders on and go on about my business and try to enjoy myself, what else is there.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

And kudos mahalla for getting out and helping folks.

[truthseeker]

ok, time for a topic split lol



the new topic will be in General section titled: split from Crude Poetic Justice?

[Ace Rimmer]

ok, time for a topic split lol

Maybe that is poetic justice.

[truthseeker]

very good

[Enochian]

As this thread is about poetic justice and after reading the latest comments, I’d like to add how obvious it is to me that the big-scale “trashers” of our planet are so few of the global population that the rest of humanity could gain confidence imagining how easily a united front would neutralize their “bad”. And, of course, that is the biggest portion of the secrecy I mentioned. I believe fear of disclosure is why so much money is spent creating the illusion that these few appear a million times larger.
Most Earth-humans are good souls, ready and able to steward this world back to health (simply because they have been “bad” in so many lives leading up to this one), contingent on awareness of that truth unveiling the avarice of our planetary spoilers.
It could be magnanimously poetic to justly stop these crimes simply by opting out of the businesses these ugly few control and foist upon us as if there were no options.